G & T Show 173 – FINO: STFU!
G & T Show 173 – FINO: STFU! is now available for downloading. Check it out here. Nick, Terry, and Mike launch into the New Year with their Fifth Season and Fourth Year of their geeky little show. We discuss the latest Star Trek News, STO News, STLV 2015 Update, and Mike goes into a shaking chihuahua* rant over the vile vitriol and hatred emerging around the usage of FINO (Fans In Name Only) that seems to be dividing Star Trek fandom into Pro- and Anti-JJ camps. Finally, we select a winner in our Martok Squirrel Contest. Don’t miss it.
*No Puppies was harmed during the course of this rant*
They kick off the show with our introductions, and wish everyone a Happy 2015. Nick and Terry confuse Mike creeps Nick out with his response to the introduction. They totally confuse Mike for a few minutes as they discuss College Football. Nick wishes Happy Birthday to friends of the show, Texas Trekkie Girl, Kate Bankson at Cryptic, and Kerry Wright.
They jump into Coffee Clatch with Terry’s big news this week. Her and her husband Allen celebrated their 20th Wedding Anniversary this week. They try to figure out which anniversary they celebrated. Nick says its the papercut anniversary, Terry thought it was wood, Jespah in the chat room said pewter, which prompted Mike to say she got Allen pewter nipple clamps. Terry corrects them by saying they exchanged pewter painsticks.
Nick informs them that StarfleetJunkie is in the ER with Chief. They send well wishes out to them. The chatroom filled up quickly with listeners they haven’t seen in the chatroom in a long time; they welcome them. Terry asks Mike what he has been doing this week. Mike had his copyeditor hat on and has been editing / rewriting scripts for Starfinder 6, a couple more for Blood of the Nei’rrh, and a few bios for Fires of the Phoenix. He has also been cleaning up audio for Gates of Sto’vo’kor. Nick is still in the northern office. He’s due to board the shuttle for the nine hour flight to Deep Space Fredrick. Terry asks if anyone had seen the Rose Parade this year. She points out that Princess Cruises had a float and they had the entire original crew. They talk about Bernie Kopell. Nick asks if it was Terry’s Enterprise Ornament that caught on fire. She explains that it was not. It belonged to someone else. Now, she’s worried about plugging it in. They are looking forward to Agent Carter next week. They talk about cougars for a moment, which prompts Mike to announce that Janet’s book is now available in paperback. They congratulate her for it.
They move on to Star Trek news and kick things off with the announcement of the good news that Alice Eve married her financier fiance on New Year’s Eve. Terry points a good article from Forbes regarding Why Justin Lin Is a Perfect Fit for Star Trek 3. He’s got good experience with ensemble casts. Mike and Terry are not worried about him taking the reigns in the next film. Mike admits he was more worried about JJ. Terry agrees because of the comment JJ had made after taking the job to reboot the franchise that he didn’t care for Star Trek and referred to it as Talkie Geek. It doomed him from that moment forward.
Terry moves us along by pointing out DS9’s premiere episode, Emissary, debuted 22 years ago this week. Nick shares some of his experiences watching Janice as she experiences DS9 for the first time. They are closing on the series finale. Mike can’t believe it has been 22 years. They take a minute to figure out where they were when the show premiered. Terry watched it with Allen, but Mike shares that he had a tough choice to make since they aired 30 minutes apart in his neck of the woods.
Terry moves us to another countdown article on Geek.com outlining the Top 35 moments in Star Trek History. They go through the list, one item at a time and discuss each one. It featured moments from every Star Trek series and several of the films. There were a few that they disagreed with, including Tom Paris hitting warp 10 in the episode Threshold. The author got the reason wrong why Kirk yelled Kahn’s name in Star Trek 2: Wrath of Kahn, which made them mad. They also thought Spock yelling Kahn in Into Darkness should not have made the list. They thought Best of Both Worlds should have ranked higher. They agree with most of the author’s thoughts.
Kojiro Vance in the chatroom takes us on a time travel squirrel regarding time travel episodes that don’t involve Earth history. They start identifying time travel episodes that didn’t deal with Earth. Nick asks someone to get Braga on the line because they have some time travel questions for him. They revisit the topic later. Terry moves us along with an article from TrekToday stating that Pine is looking forward to Star Trek 3. In it, Pine confirms that the script is ready, he just hadn’t read it yet. They once again mention that the producers wouldn’t have set a release date unless they had a script they could work with – even if it is not in its final form yet. The phone rings and Nick tells us that if its agent, he’s not there. But Mike points out that Nick had requested his people get Braga on the line
Terry moves them forward with a mashup video created by some Trek Fans who parody All About That Bass with their own rendition of All About That Borg. Mike points out that he groaned at how bad it was, but couldn’t look away because of how bad it was. Pain like that needs to be shared. Mike loved the Borg with the bucked teeth. Nick had not seen it yet. Terry pushes forward to a new Kickstarter project for a documentary called The Anatomy of A Starship. They discuss the kickstarter and ask everyone to help them reach their goal as they quickly countdown its final hours.
Terry tells us that CBS has launched their CBS All Access app, which is a subscription streaming service that features a lot of their content, including Star Trek, I Love Lucy, and more. Terry wonders if CBS will be pulling out of Netflix. Netflix and Star Trek reminds Nick of a documentary he watched recently on the history of video games that had Wil Wheaton in its opening scene. Mike wonders how much the CBS All Access will cost, since he was unable to see it anywhere on the sign up page. Nick reveals some breaking news, that ESPN’s Stuart Scott died at the age of 49. It made Terry sad. Nick wants to make a tasteless joke and gets it in despite Terry’s urging that he doesn’t do it. They talk about him for a little bit. Terry comes back to topic when she admits that she hasn’t found the price, but doesn’t imagine that it would cost more than Netflix. Mike hopes that it should be cheaper. Matt Anderson in the chatroom provides another article that mentions the cost of CBS All Access is only $5.99.
Star Trek.com released some information about an upcoming enovella by Scott Harrison called TOS: Shadow of the Machine. Mike heard about it. Scott Pearson copyedited the book. On the cover the image of the Borg tampon from Star Trek Online. Their final bit of news this week pertains to Star Trek Online and the Research and Development weekend currently underway. Until Monday morning at 10am, players can get their R & D packs for 20% off. Mike mentions that R & D points earned are increased and PVE queued events that offer R & D materials should provide bonus materials as well.
More long time listeners that they haven’t seen in the chatroom in a long time continue to join us live in the chatroom. Nick puts on a Honeymooners schtick when Marv joins the conversation. Jespah wants to write a Honeymooners / Trek crossover story. They move onto a Star Trek Las Vegas 2015 Update.
Kojiro Vance did some research and discovered that there are 24 time travel episodes involving Earth and 34 episodes that do not and includes episodes from all six series. They realize that there are roughly 8 percent of Star Trek episodes involve time travel. They, then, realize that when the films are examined it’s more than 25% to 33% of the films deal with time travel. Jespah points out that the third season of Enterprise dealt with the Temporal Cold War, so it could be argued that the entire season dealt with time travel. Kojiro begin breaking down the distribution of the time travel episodes across all of the series. Time Travel episodes tend to be some of the more popular episodes. It attributed to the popularity of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. They talk about The Voyage Home and what made it so popular and successful. Nick talks about the other films that came out that year. During the discussion, it was revealed that they are making another Top Gun movie.
Mike mentions a new term he encountered this week. FINO (Fans In Name Only). He came across the word in a Trek Facebook group that was bashing the fans of the JJ-films. Mike doesn’t completely disagree with them about the films, but took issue to the usage of the term to describe other fans of Star Trek. He goes on to rage over it the hypocrisy of the term and those wielding it to disparage those new fans that were introduced to Star Trek through the new films. Although he can’t confirm anything, its very likely that the new series will be based in the alternate universe. Nick mentions that some of his friends have stopped attending the conventions because of the shaming that fans of the new films had received for demonstrating their fandom. Mike thinks it’s absolutely horrible. Terry thinks its stupid. We are calling them out for their crap. Terry didn’t know this was happening. Terry wonders if its similar to bullying or what is happening with GamerGate. Mike says that it is and it’s despicable. By attacking a person that enjoys Star Trek through the new films, they are betraying the ideals of Star Trek and proving their hypocrisy toward Star Trek. Terry points out that this has happened before. Nick mentions that it happened when Star Trek TNG came out. It happened again with every series. Time will temper their attitudes once they start seeing the benefit of the new Trek fandom.
Mike says that people are entitled to their opinions, but they are not entitled to attack someone else’s fandom. All it does is makes them look ignorant. He gets enraged. He admits that he was so angry that he wrote them a poem and insults them in his own way by calling them robots. The ignoramuses totally missed the point and even liked it because they assumed I was bashing JJ Trek. He was angry because Trek fans do not attack Trek fans. Terry says that the Alternate Universe is bringing in a lot of new fans that are revitalizing the franchise and spending money and discovering all of the old episodes and films because of what JJ had done with the new films. Mike asks them to embrace the new fans, not disparage them. He’s so angry, he’s shaking.
Nick and Terry says that it’s happened with other franchises. However, Mike points out that the difference between Star Trek and those other franchises is the spirit of Trek, it’s the ideals that Roddenberry had set forth. He wants people to not only talk the talk, but to walk the walk. If you want to comment on what Mike said, email him. Nick, Mike, and Terry may have bashed the new films on the show before, but it was because of their storytelling, not because of what it means for Trek. They have said that they appreciate the opportunities for new storytelling that the new alternate universe provide. We just don’t like the fact that they have yet to take advantage of it. Chooch in the chatroom points out that IDW’s comics have been telling great stories in the universe. The films are not taking advantage of the new universe in the best way possible and when the new series comes out, they believe that will make all the difference.
They move on to the selection of the Martok Squirrel Contest winner. They received three submissions from Sunseahl, Brett, and Mish. Mike shares them with the chatroom. They go over them and are completely impressed with the results we received. Terry describes them. They talk about them and decide that the entry from Mish won first place. They loved the other entries so much, they decided to make everyone a winner. Mish and Brett will each receive a copy of Jen Usellis’ Warrior Woman on CD, while Sunseahl will receive a digital copy of the album. Thank you for participating the G & T Show Martok Squirrel Contest.
They were asked about resolutions. They tell everyone that they don’t make resolutions. They promise to continue talking about the latest Star Trek News from the films, games, and everywhere else in the Star Trek Universe. They move on to announcements. Mike quickly runs through announcements and thanks everyone for listening. They’ve reached 200 likes on Facebook and are always looking for more. They thank everyone for listening to us. Osidious asks Mike about Larry’s role in Starfinder. Mike quickly runs through the process and sheds some light on that project as well as a collaborative crossover effort they are working on with Oren. They wind up the show by asking people to send them questions for Ask Dayton.
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