G & T Show 181 – Evolving Tastes In Movies
G & T Show 181 – Evolving Tastes In Film is now available to download. Check it out here. Nick, Terry, and Mike are joined by Steve once again to discuss the latest happenings in and around the Star Trek Universe. This week they discuss: Television, General, Technology, Products, Gaming, Convention and Book News. They also examine some Unofficial Productions before getting to this week’s topic, evolving tastes in movies change as people get older. Like them on Facebook and check out this week’s episode of the G & T Show.
After their usual round of introductions, they jump right into this week’s Coffee Klatch. Steve has been making progress on his fundraiser and has been hitting his 10k daily goal every this month.
Racking Up Those Miles
Terry is tired but is racking up the frequent flyer miles since she has been to Alaska, Boston, and is about to head to Seattle all over the last two weeks. She didn’t get to visit with Janet while she was in the Boston area, since Janet has been dealing with a personal issue. They send their love to her and her family. The conference she was there for was interesting. In Seattle she will be in district court listening to arguments.
They are enjoying it. Mike got an early birthday present from family. He thinks there’s a ulterior motive for the gift, since the kids go on summer vacation in a few days. Mike received an XBox One. He’s wanted one for the kids for a while, and has installed STO on it. Mike tried and failed to talk his nephew out of being a Klingon. He sends a shout-out to Sandy.
Steve has been working, podcasting, and walking. The team is very proud of Steve’s efforts. If anyone wants to help him fundraise for Cancer Research, please donate to his campaign here.
Then, Terry shares a story about her time at Logan Airport. After landing, she found a kiosk near the baggage claim that allowed her to register for TSA pre-check. She took advantage of it and describes her experience. The TSA agent discovered that Terry was a Trek fan and had a little fun with her regarding the fingerprinting process.
Down on the Farm
Nick went Strawberry picking with his wife. He talks about some of the festivals and the various orchards that they have around him. Nick actually picked the strawberries himself. He made strawberry shortcake with them. In his area, there are lots of farms and he gets a most of his fruits and vegetables from the farm.
In Terry’s area, most of the agriculture (aside from the Native American Ag) is reserved for export. They export a lot of chilies and almonds. For Mike, he’s in Ag Heaven. He just has to drive down to the nearest rural corner to find a kiosk selling all of the fresh fruit and veggies he could want.
Prompted by Nick, Mike talks about the run of four truck fires around his hometown in an under a week. The first one was the biggest since it involved a gas tanker truck that flipped over and exploded just a few feet away from a gas station. Terry wonders if the driver was asleep. Mike thinks he was going too fast when exiting the freeway. The truck was already on fire before it flipped and exploded.
Steve and Nick have both seen Wonder Woman. Mike plans to see it sometime soon and Terry has not seen it yet. Terry talks about the opening weekend projections. For the third time, they have had to adjust the figures. Initially, they projected the film could bring in $100 million domestically, but now they are projecting $200 to $250 million.
Nick is pleased that DC has finally put something on the screen where the hero is heroic, accepts her role as a hero, and is inspirational. He thought the laughs in the film were organic. She didn’t cry or whine. He did have a criticism, as he thought some of Chris Pine’s dialog seemed too modern and not contemporary for a film set in 1919. However, Nick didn’t think Gal Gadot sounded that way. He continues the discussion without revealing any major spoilers.
Wrath Of Khan’s 35th Anniversary
Dayton Ward posted a blog about The Wrath of Khan’s 35th Anniversary. They can hardly believe that it has been 35 years and are suddenly feeling very old. Since Nicholas Meyer directed TWOK, Mike takes the opportunity to talk about Star Trek Discovery and an interview Meyer gave to Trek Movie. The interview’s focus was on TWOK, but a bit of news got many Trekkies salivating and speculating. Meyer is working on a second Star Trek project in addition to Star Trek: Discovery. It could be anything, including: a book, comic, a film, or another television series. There’s so much potential in the franchise to support multiple series.
Terry reveals that she picked up on something else from his interview. She reads a quote from the interview regarding the amount of canon added to the universe since Wrath of Khan. Meyer’s response to the statement indicated that Fuller had “found a niche in the chronology that allowed for another stream”. Terry wonders if this means another universe. Nick thinks he means another stream of storytelling, just as Section 31 was a niche that has produced its own stories that have carried over into books, games, comics, and more. They hope he meant that. Mike jumps in with an idea for Star Trek Archaeologist complete with the theme from Indiana Jones.
Before moving on, Terry reads his quote regarding the second Star Trek project that he can’t discuss. They speculate about it for a few moments. Star Trek is such a rich universe filled with possibilities and that the possibilities continue.
Star Trek 4
The interview even touches on the perceived delays with the fourth Star Trek movie, as the actors don’t know what is going on yet. Paramount is in a difficult position right now. Mike saw an article recently that Paramount has been doing the Truffle Shuffle with some of its upper management. Terry thinks that could be related to the delays as the new CEO figures out which projects will get green-lit and how much funding they will get.
Chase Masterson collaborated with Swear Trek to produce a short gif responding to some of the hate which emerged regarding the women featured in the Star Trek: Discovery Trailer. Chase recorded new audio which they had laid over an image of Leeta and Rom from DS9. You can see their collaborated work through this link.
Harry Potter Fan Films
Next, they discuss Unofficial Productions. Axanar was supposed to have a new script for their film by the end of May. There isn’t a script yet. However, they have another topic to discuss.
There is a Harry Potter fan film being produced that has the consent of Warner Brothers. Terry goes into the backstory of this fan film project. Voldemort: Origins of the Heir is a fan film that examines Voldemort’s backstory. They crowdfunded $30k (well below Trek’s guidelines allotment for a fan production) and Warner Brothers put a stop to it. A meeting between the studios and the film’s director and producer produced an agreement where they can finish their project as long as they don’t create a profit, create a studio, or build a business from this work. This is no different than anything CBS had asked of Axanar or any other fan film.
The Voldemort filmmakers are adhering to Warner’s rules so there is no need for the creation of guidelines. However, J.K. Rowling, who still owns the IP for the Harry Potter franchise, could still force the project to shutdown. Warner only has the right to create films. Regardless, the filmmakers are able to continue with their project because they were respectful.
Nick shifts the conversation to this week’s discussion topic: a person’s evolving tastes for movies as they grow older. He mentions Keith R.A. DeCandido’s review of Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Nick admits that movies he had seen when he was younger and rewatched as an adult have affected him differently than what he remembered. Speaking of evolving tastes for films, Nick uses Gandhi as an example. He hated the film as a child but loved it as an adult.
Terry discusses Dog Day Afternoon and uses it as a launching pad to compare it to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Both films are quieter films that require people to focus on the characters and the story, even with the fifteen minute Enterprise flyby. Evolving tastes in the audience, filmmaking, and the times when the film is viewed all contribute to how a film’s perception and reception can change over time. The evolving tastes discussion of TMP continues.
Then, the conversation shifts to the horrific transporter accident scene in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The chatroom mentions the novelization where one of the characters in the accident was responsible for Kirk taking the Admiral position. However, it was something that never made it to the screen, so it was not canon. They return to discuss the transporter accident itself how disturbing it was to watch as a kid.
Mike has returned after a brief break and shares a few films that he watched as a child that he enjoyed much more as an adult, including Aliens, Empire Strikes Back, TMP, and Search for Spock, illustrating his evolving tastes as well. Nick was intrigued by Mike’s selection and asked him to clarify. Mike first saw them as a young child around nine or ten years old on television during Saturday matinee creature feature and found the pacing or the story dull. Plus Mike attributes some of his evolving tastes to the story that has come out since then that has fleshed out the universe much more.
Mike made Nick and Terry feel old. Steve is even younger. Undiscovered Country keeps getting better with every viewing for Terry, more evidence of her evolving tastes.
Evolving Tastes In Reverse
Nick reverses question about evolving tastes. What Trek film were better when you were younger but as you grew older you came to dislike it even more. Evolving tastes do work in reverse as well.
Terry thinks the Borg scenes of First Contact have made the film worse for her. Mike asks if Voyager had anything to do with that. She doesn’t think so. She attributes it more to the technology of the time and specifically describes the slow moving Borg moving through smoke and laser beam scenes. Nick thought that scene bugs him as well.
Sun in the chatroom mentions The Search For Spock as a Trek film that has done worse due to her evolving tastes. It hasn’t aged all that well. Nick agrees and adds The Voyage Home to the list. For 1986, it was great but it was a product of its time. Terry gives The Final Frontier more credit now than she had in the past. Young people don’t appreciate how big a hit The Voyage Home was at the time. It managed to cross over because it was set in the modern day.
The Klingon Ship
The chatroom mentioned that the Klingon ship from The Search for Spock was a problem for them. The ship was a Tardis because it kept changing its size and was even bigger on the inside. To explain what they mean, the ship was the same size as the Enterprise in space, had enough room to comfortably hold two humpback whales, and yet when it was on the ground, it didn’t seem large enough to do any of that.
Mike’s Evolving Tastes In Reverse
Most of the TOS films came out while he was young so most of his appreciation for them has grown. After some consideration, Mike concludes that Generations and Nemesis were two Trek films that have become worse for him with the passage of time. Evolving tastes are not only limited to the TOS era movies.
They discuss Nemesis. Mike was happy to see the new Trek movie and Data’s loss was shocking. But, as he watched it later on, the problems started to become clear. He didn’t understand why people didn’t like it at first, but he eventually figured it out.
Generations Christmas Party
They examine the Christmas party in Generations. They identify some of the problems with it and even offer a few ways that scene could have been made better. Terry’s big issue was its time period. It seemed too Edwardian. Mike’s biggest issue was with Picard’s “wife”. He would have been happier if the woman had been Vasch or Beverly. Beverly would have been a better choice.
Terry would have written it as an homage to the episode Family, with Picard in the grape fields, the kids running up, and Beverly at the house waiting for them. Having Rene in that scene was another issue. Terry didn’t mind it, although she would have also have liked to see Robert. Have Robert walk up to Picard while Jean-Luc worked in the grape fields.
The house in the scene didn’t seem like it was the same house with the vineyard in Family. They agree that the scene should have had a much more modern feel to it than the “classical” design elements that were used.
In contrast, Kirk’s cabin scene was right on the money. it fits with what we knew of him. They wanted to know more about the scene, the woman, and Kirk’s life outside of Starfleet. They figure out when the scene could have taken place and determine that it is pre-TMP.
Steve chimes in with some of his thoughts on evolving tastes. He agrees with most of the discussion in regards to Generations.
Mike had an issue with the Guinan scene as well. Nick never understand the echo thing. How could a piece of Kirk and Picard be in Nexus. Did they ever really leave the Nexus? They try to figure it out, but the best Mike could come up with is some kind of fractured universe. Nick thought if the Nexus was created by Q would allow it to make more sense. Terry adds, what if they had done it accidentally. Nick agrees but thinks that it would be junior, Q’s son that would have created it.
Quick & Newsworthy
Winding down the discussion on evolving tastes, they quickly run down a few newsworthy items, beginning with Gaming News. This week, it was announced that the HTC Vibe system will come with a copy of Star Trek Bridge Crew. Mike hopes to pick up an Oculus sometime after upgrading his computer.
Shore Leave revealed their guest list. Terry quickly runs through the guest list and a lot of the authors will be present. It doesn’t look like Kirsten Beyer will be there, but Derek Attica will. Derek won the Strange New Worlds contest.
Mike quickly mentions that the Hidden Universe Travel Guides, beginning with the Vulcan Travel Guide will now be available in ebook. It was originally only available as paperback. He also mentions that the Klingon Empire travel guide will be available as ebook when released at the end of the month. Mike is excited!
Star Trek Adventures
Next, he talks about the Star Trek Adventures Borg Set. They have already mentioned the dice sets and the TOS and TNG miniatures. This set will have those in addition to Klingon and Romulan miniatures, as well as the rules book, and the Borg GM/DM shield all conveniently stored inside of a Borg cube.
Speaking of RPGs, Free RPG Day is on Saturday June 17th. Head down to your local participating comic book shop and pick up a free item from many RPG sponsors.
The Star Trek Online Summer Event will begin on June 8th. It will run through July 20th. Steve points out that the event time frame is the same for both consoles and PC but the prize ship is different for each. Consoles will be getting the prize ship from last year.
Mike had been saving this final bit of news for the end. Nvidia has once again showed it’s Project Holodeck VR system to the public. In addition to collaboratively examining items in a virtual space, Nvidia announced that the space could be used to train AI and robots. He wanted that thought to settle in for a moment. The singularity is here. Terry knew something was up since she has seen some discussion on it in the news but wasn’t sure. It make sense now.
Pirates of the Caribbean
When Nick ask Terry about Disney stock taking a hit because of how poorly Pirates of the Caribbean has been doing, Mike mentions that he did get a chance to see the film. They ask him about it. He liked the film. He thought it was a lot of fun, like all of the other Pirates films. There are some big, ridiculous situations in the series and this new entry continues that tradition. Mike roared with laughter in regards to the Bank and Guillotine scenes.
Nick hasn’t seen any of the Pirates of the Caribbean films. There’s something about a movie that is just supposed to be fun. Not every film is supposed to have social commentary or be a piece of art. Some films are just fun. He goes on to talk about the documentaries he’s been watching. There are a lot of crap ones and he doesn’t want to watch another alien conspiracy or Hitler documentary.
The Wrap Up
They start winding down this week’s show, starting with Announcements. Mike mentions that on their website they have a press release from the Smithsonian and AwesomeCon announcing their collaboration in creating Future Con, a science and technology convention within a convention. Also, the May Product News Round-up is up.
Terry suggests everyone check out DefCon’s TrekLit blog to stay abreast of all of the latest Star Trek book and novel news. Steve hopes that everyone will support his fundraiser to support Cancer Research.
Nick will be at Awesome Con next week. In July, he will be Shore Leave. His home town will be having their own small convention and he plans to attend in September followed by Salt Lake City Comic Con. Terry and Allen will be at STLV on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. They hope Mike will attend a local convention soon as well.
Live Love Play
Ross from Live Love Play chimes in with his weekly content update. As usual, he has been a very busy little beaver producing content for his channel. Support him and check out his stuff. They try to figure out which RPG game they will be playing this week. It is either Gods of Eukon or Star Trek Adventures. Last week was supposed to be more Star Trek Adventures but Jim got sick, so they had to postpone.
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That concludes this week’s show of the G & T Show, Evolving Tastes. Join them next week for an all new episode of the G & T Show for the latest news, discussion, and fun from all around the Star Trek multiverse.
- G & T Show Press Release – Smithsonian And Awesome Con Introduce Future Con – http://www.gandtshow.com/awesome-con-introduce-future-con/
- G & T Show Product News Roundup May 2017 – http://www.gandtshow.com/product-news-roundup-may-2017/
- Steve’s fundraiser – Walking to fight cancer – https://fundraise.cancerresearchuk.org/page/steverobertsuk
- DefCon’s TrekLit Blog – https://defcons-treklit.blogspot.de/
- Creators of viral Harry Potter fan film say WB approved release – http://abc7ny.com/entertainment/harry-potter-fan-film-creators-say-wb-oked-project/2062223/
- Just in case you meet an alien: Here’s where to learn Klingon – https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/06/02/klingon-star-trek-language-switzerland/102381684/
- Crazy YouTube channel explains Star Trek: The Next Generation – https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/05/29/crazy-youtube-channel-explains-star-trek-next-generation/
- Xprize enlists sci-fi authors and filmmakers to map our future – https://www.engadget.com/2017/06/02/xprize-sci-fi-authors-filmmakers/
- Nvidia channels Star Trek, shows off Project Holodeck VR – https://www.cnet.com/news/nvidia-channels-star-trek-shows-off-project-holodeck-vr-computex-2017/
- Nicholas Meyer Talks Star Trek: Discovery’s Niche And Hints At Another Star Trek Project – http://trekmovie.com/2017/06/02/exclusive-nicholas-meyer-talks-star-trek-discoverys-niche-and-hints-at-another-star-trek-project-2/
- Chase Masterson and Swear Trek take on the Star Trek: Discovery haters – https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/05/28/chase-masterson-swear-trek-take-star-trek-discovery-haters/
- Also, Swear Trek – https://sweartrek.tumblr.com/post/161173881596/leeta-why-is-this-dude-so-mad-about-star-trek
- Rainn Wilson to be in 9 episodes of Star Trek: Discovery – http://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2017/05/28/rainn-wilson-9-episodes-star-trek-discovery/
- First of all, SDCC-Exclusive TNG Enterprise Monitor Mate Revealed – http://www.startrek.com/article/sdcc-exclusive-tng-enterprise-monitor-mate-revealed
- U.S.S. Franklin NX-326 Dedication Plaque – https://shop.eaglemoss.com/star-trek-official-starship-collection/uss-franklin-nx-326-dedication-plaque
- 3D Print Your Own Star Trek Spinner cap – https://www.thingiverse.com/make:343088/
- Star Trek: The Next Generation Adult Coloring – Paperback Book – https://www.ebgames.co.nz/zing-222970-Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-Adult-Coloring—Paperback-Book-Zing
- In addition, A Collection of New Star Trek Calendars Debut for 2018 – http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/05/a-collection-of-new-star-trek-calendars-debut-for-2018/
- >Mr. Spock Commemorative Talking Poseable Figure – http://www.bradfordexchange.com/products/301814002_mr-spock-commemorative-talking-figure.html
- Star Trek: The Exploration Porcelain Plate Panorama – http://www.bradfordexchange.com/products/904458_the-exploration-continues-star-trek-collector.html
- Also, More Dark Horse Star Trek Coloring Books in 2017 – http://trekcore.com/blog/2017/05/more-dark-horse-star-trek-coloring-books-in-2017/
- Finally, get assimilated with the Star Trek Adventures RPG Borg cube set – http://geekandsundry.com/get-assimilated-with-the-star-trek-adventures-rpg-borg-cube-set/
Possible Discussion Topics
- Critical Thinking: Why Do People Care So Much About Canon? – https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/05/critical-thinking-why-do-people-care-so-much-about-canon/
- Free RPG Day – http://www.freerpgday.com/
- Winnipeg man will fight to get ASIMIL8 plate back – http://www.metronews.ca/news/winnipeg/2017/05/31/winnipeg-man-will-fight-to-get-asimil8-plate-back.html
- Star Trek Rollercoaster – https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/star-trek-rollercoaster.288039/
- Get assimilated with the Star Trek Adventures RPG Borg cube set – http://geekandsundry.com/get-assimilated-with-the-star-trek-adventures-rpg-borg-cube-set/
- Also, Star Trek Timelines Coming to Steam – Closed Beta – https://forums.disruptorbeam.com/stt/viewthread/63539
- Star Trek: Bridge Crew now included with HTC VIVE – http://sea.ign.com/adventure/116189/news/star-trek-bridge-crew-now-included-with-htc-vive
- PWE posts Summer Event schedule for Neverwinter, tar Trek Online, Champions Online – http://massivelyop.com/2017/05/30/pwe-posts-summer-event-schedule-for-neverwinter-star-trek-online-champions-online/
- In addition, Star Trek: Bridge Crew: All PlayStation VR Trophies detailed – http://stevivor.com/features/unpacked/star-trek-bridge-crew-trophies/
- How many missions are there in Star Trek: Bridge Crew? – http://stevivor.com/features/unpacked/many-missions-star-trek-bridge-crew/
- Star Trek Bridge Crew: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know – http://heavy.com/games/2017/05/star-trek-bridge-crew-vr-ps4-ubisoft-levar-burton-release-date/
- Coming Soon! Energy credit cap adjustments (PC and Console) – https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1231741/coming-soon-energy-credit-cap-adjustments-pc-and-console
- Finally, The Summer Event on PC for Star Trek Online – https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10519433
- Shore Leave 39 Is Coming Soon! – https://www.trektoday.com/content/2017/05/shore-leave-39-is-coming-soon/
- Also, Preview of Star Trek: Waypoint #5 – https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2017/05/preview-of-star-trek-waypoint-5/
- Star Trek Boldly Go VOL 01 TP – https://www.cheapgraphicnovels.com/star-trek-boldly-go-vol-01-tp.html
- Hidden Universe Travel Guides: Star Trek Vulcan available in ebook – https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Universe-Travel-Guides-Vulcan-ebook/dp/B072M15ZRX/
- Finally, Annotations: Christopher L. Bennett posts annotations to TOS: The Face of the Unknown on his blog – https://defcons-treklit.blogspot.de/2017/05/annotations-christopher-l-bennett-posts.html
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