G & T Show 220 – Haters Gonna Hate
G & T Show 220 – Haters Gonna Hate is now available to download. Check it out here. This week, Nick returns from his hiatus and joins Terry, Mike, and Janet. Teras Cassidy and Larry Nemecek join us for the last portion of the show to talk about Geek Nation Tours and their various other projects. In the mean time, we discuss the latest news coming out the Star Trek Universe including Unofficial Productions, Gaming, Television, Books, and more. We also manage to squeeze in a 50 for 50 discussion of TNG’s Darmok and DS9’s The Search Part 1. Don’t miss out on all of the fun.
After introductions, we jump straight into this week’s Coffee Klatch. Nick kicks it off with an explanation of what happened last week. He was passed out from a drinking Twitch Hangout with his Geek Goddesses and partied too hard from it. They discuss some of the people that died this week. Nick was most affected by the loss of Bowie. Terry describes how she came to like Bowie later in life. Nick talks about some of the people that were influenced by Bowie’s music. Mike has been copyediting Janet’s next novel, played some video games, including the newly released Star Trek: Timelines. Janet has been dealing with copyedits on her novel. For her, it’s the calm before the storm for the upcoming semester and is in full blown panic mode.
Nick is starting to hate Star Trek fans. Not all of them, but there is a subset. He asks what constitutes a hater? Terry defines it as anyone that disagrees with you. And a small group has taken it upon themselves to brand people non-Star Trek fans. Nick thinks that the entire thing is insane. He talks about the Red Cross and getting paid a salary. Janet talks about the difference between making a profit, a non-profit, and charities. They are not not the same thing. Even the Red Cross would not use someone else’s IP to promote their organization without permission. If they did, they would risk getting sued.
Terry talks about the article, Do Star Trek Fans Just Not Understand Copyright? The article was written by a Star Trek author, who is intimately familiar with some of the hate received from a subset of fans that don’t like what they do and have to tread carefully to ensure that they do not break the law. Nick mentions that he was in the uncomfortable position of defending the film, Star Trek Into Darkness. Mike points out that CBS / Paramount is appealing to their fans, which are the new young fans that have come on board through the new films, because they are the target market, rather than the older more established Star Trek fans. Nick points out that some fans still fail to recognize the DS9 or Enterprise as real Star Trek. It’s ridiculous. He talks about the petitions going around. 15k signatures are meaningless compared to the number of people they are trying to reach with the new films.
Nick talks about people that watch and praise NetFlix for their original series but condemns CBS for using Star Trek to launch their streaming service, CBS All Access. He then mentions the people talking about boycotting the new show when it comes out. Terry mentions the anti-capitalism mentality coming out of Star Trek and other fandoms, including gaming. STO went through it when they introduced the lockbox. Janet talks about going to high school and her English Teacher asked why did Shakespeare write? Because he wanted money to feed his children and wife and needed a roof over his head. People write for money when they publish stuff. It’s different with fan fiction. She talks about Dayton, constantly being asked to write for people for exposure — ahem, there will be a new Ask Dayton next week. Dayton writes the Ask Dayton for G & T knowing that he’s not getting paid, but Nick points out the G & T Bump helped him get on the New York Times Best Seller List.
Mike points out an article from Axanar’s website stating that someone was caught attempting to break into the studio to deface it. A person from the “I Stand With CBS” Facebook group had suggested it. They were kicked out because that type of stuff will not be tolerated. Nick, Terry, and Janet agree that that type of activity is completely uncalled for and anyone thinking about doing something like that needs to stop. Hate does not help anyone’s cause. Mike calls for civility.
Nick and Janet talk about not commenting on a topic due to pending litigation. In this scenario, cherry picking appearances or posting on social media in order to control the flow of information is commenting. Nick points out some of the things that they were called, which prompted the douche-bag-istan comments in this morning’s show’s introductions. Janet was even called an ambulance chaser and clarifies that she worked in defense and not for plaintiffs whose attorneys are the ambulance chasers. Nick then provides a general guideline for anyone asking to come on the show to address or correct any information we may have discussed. Do it. Don’t cancel and then proceed to bad-mouth the show, publicly or privately. He rather have people be honest rather than lie or make excuses. He then states that if they are going to call G & T liars, they should come on the show and say it directly to us. Janet has been working on a blog post covering this and is waiting for more information to come out before releasing it that includes images of her diplomas.
Axanar is due in court on Tuesday to file their answer. An extension may be granted but Terry doesn’t know if that has been done yet. She then describes the possible answers that could be made to the complaint. She says that opening of discovery may not occur for another 90 days depending on the answer given. She finds it all interesting and is looking forward to see what happens this week. Nick takes a few moments to address some of the die hard fans that refer to themselves as Marines. He built a career in the military and was married twice, and finds it disrespectful that a rabid fan would use the term so frivolously. He describes these people as bullies and compares them to gamergate people. He invites these people to find him at a convention and say these horrible things about him to his face.
Before moving on, Terry reiterates some of the links we’ve shared. When she mentions the break-in at Ares Studio, Janet states that the post was a fake and there wasn’t an actual break in. There wasn’t a police report filed that she had seen. She admits she could be wrong and invites anyone to come on the show with proof that it actually occurred. Terry talks about the updated article from S.M. Oliva stating all of the facts as he currently understands them.
Terry shifts us to television news. A new article from Slash Film quotes the president from CBS television states that they are not creatively involved in the new television series. Mike points out that the overall company CBS will have eyes on it, but they won’t be making decisions unless it tanks. It’s a good thing, because it is going to allow CBS All Access to make the best product they can without having to adhere to broadcast television rules and guidelines. They talk about some of the possibilities that could arise from this decision. Nick thinks television has changed enough that they are able to do more than they used to. They even discuss Enterprise showing T’Pol’s ass. They discuss some of the things they hope not to see in the show. Nick asks what do they need to connect with today’s audience. Terry hopes to see actual danger and the ramifications of people’s actions. Nick compares binge watching shows as watching a 13 hour movie as he discussed with James Kerwin on his Gettysburg’s Address show. He doesn’t think short attention span theater is a real thing. Janet explains that people want to self-tailor their viewing, when they have time to binge watch a series, they will, or if they have a few minutes, they watch something on youtube. Terry compares it to gaming. Some games allow you to grind through a new character if you have a lot of time on your hands, or if you only have a few minutes, you’re able to play the duty officer system. Nick wonders what they will show at Vegas for the new series. They can’t wait.
They shift to the latest Book News. Kate Mulgrew’s biography, Born With Teeth, has found its way into paperback. Janet talks about what a rare and special thing this is. They congratulate Kate on the news.
They move into Gaming News next and begin with Star Trek Online, since there wasn’t a lot coming out of them with the holiday break. Mike points out that the Anniversary Event will be out in a couple of weeks, and they are just coming out of the holidays and the Holiday Event, but they are hard at work making whatever is coming next. Mike talks about the new fiction story they released called Suspicions written by Jaddua. He and Terry are intrigued. They discuss the story and the Temporal Cold War and how much better it works in the game than it did with on television. Terry reminds everyone about the Foundry. Mike mentions that he had fixed his broken mission,A Klingon Honor Carol. People are now able to play and leave him dilithium tips. They also discuss the news posted on Facebook from Michele Specht doing a voiceover for STO. Terry was pleased to see that the news prompted people to check out STO for the first time.
Star Trek: Timelines was official released this week. Mike is having a lot of fun playing it. Terry checked it out but didn’t get to check it out until after it’s official release because of a spotty wireless connection. She’s still learning how the game works. Mike mentions the two new preview images that came out this week featuring Major Kira and Nexus Kirk. He goes on to talk about the two fan dances he posted this week. The first revolved around his beta experiences with the game, while the second was the official announcement with slide show images of the game’s official release. He goes on to mention a Disruptor Beam post with a video from Rich Gallup, the Executive Producer of Star Trek: Timelines showing people how to play the game. Mike recommends the video if you have issues figuring things out. Terry shares some of her initial thoughts of playing the game.
They move onto this week’s 50 For 50. Because we have guests joining us later, we decide to cover last week’s episodes: TNG’s Darmok and DS9’s The Search Part 1. They begin with Darmok. Janet likes the episode because it shows something — and in this episode, the translator — not working. It’s the reason why she like Enterprise so much. She loved Picard reciting the Epic of Gilgamesh. Terry talks about how this episode inspired her with her fan fiction. She liked the use of conceptual thinking and uses sign language as an example. Nick wonders how a Pakled would fare speaking with a Tamarian. Nick doesn’t think the episode would have worked as well if the actor had been a different.
They move onto DS9’s The Search Part 1. Mike gives a brief synopsis of the episode picking off some of his favorite moments. Nick loves the introduction of the Defiant, though he has another name for the ship. Janet wonders why the Changelings are so perfectly formed humanoids and would have preferred seeing a malformed Changeling. Terry criticizes the move from the station to the Defiant. Mike jokes. “Star Trek: Showing military organizations what NOT to do for the last 50 years.” Mike leaves the studio to go to the green room to greet their guests. Continuing with the discussion, they talk about the beginning of what will become the Dominion War and Odo finding his people. With their guests present, they wind down the discussion of 50 for 50.
They introduce Larry Nemecek and Teras Cassidy. Mike mentions Teras’ daughter and her TOS episode reviews on YouTube. Teras mic is sensitive and some static is heard from it throughout. Teras sends a shout-out to Priority One podcast that is helping to edit her show. Nick sends everyone a happy 50th. They are looking forward to Vegas. The Geek Nation Tours LA 2 Vegas trip is down to the last few seats. So, if you’re interested, better act soon. They discuss the weather in Canada and the Sooners briefly among other topics.
They start talking about the tour. They will begin almost 2 weeks before the convention. They begin July 26th and this year will include San Francisco. They talk about how far STLV has evolved in the few years since G & T Show has been going to the convention to cover it. Larry talks about the convention before it moved to the Rio. He goes on to talk about the effect that Star Trek 2009 had on the fandom and specifically on the convention. He goes on to mention that this year, he might actually play STO in public and may even end up in the karaoke room for the 5-0.
Teras talks about how it’s the entire hotel now that has become Trekified rather than just the convention area. He tells the people on the tour to interject themselves into conversations. People will accept them, and they do. It’s part of the community that evolved around Star Trek. A Star Trek fan is a friend that you haven’t made yet. They discuss previous tours and how identifiable it has become. They even mention the panic buying and how everything is starting to sell out. Mike asks how is the tour handling the hotel situation since the Rio has sold out and overflow has moved next door to the Palms. Teras was one of the panic buyers and got a block at the hotel to make sure they have all of their rooms. The Rio will be full of Trekkies, but there will also be a lot Trekkie parties at the Palms as well. People from all over the world is looking to attend the STLV 50. They talk about how long it takes them to set up their respective booths.
They return the discussion to the tour. Teras promises they are not going to raise the price for the final seats on the tour. They run down some of the locations they will be visiting. Larry will be tour guide and they will be getting visits from some special guests throughout the tour. They also talk about the tour to the Valley of Fire as well as the San Francisco sites. Teras tries to get the G & T Show to join them on the Valley of Fire day trip. They have already changed half of the LA portion of the tour. The Gorn, Bobby Clarke, will be at Vasquez Rocks. Rod Roddenberry will be stopping by on the first day of the tour. Chase Masterson will be stopping by as well. Dave Rossi will be part of the Paramount Studios portion of the tour. There will be others but they have yet to be announced. There will also be props at some of the tour stops for photos and more.
If you’re interested in any of Geek Nation Tours’ tours, go to Geek Nation Tours.com or email Teras at [email protected]. Photos and other information can be found on their Facebook page Geek Nation Tours.
Larry talks about Portal 47, his subscription service with a lot of cool benefits. He mentions his website, his blog, Trekland, Trekland on Facebook, Trekland Trunk on Facebook, Con of Wrath, and so much more. All of the links can be found below. He also ads Enterprise In Space to the list.
They wonder if there will be a hangover in 2017, but they doubt it with the new show debuting in January 2017. They wind up the show with announcements. 50 for 50 will return again next week with ENT’s Azati Prime and TNG’s Unification Part 1. They also have an Ask Dayton that they are holding onto for next week. Mike reminds everyone that the second episode of Straight Outta Gallifrey is now out. The Gettysburg’s Address should have a new episode in the next week or two. Play STO and Timelines. They thank Larry and Teras for joining us and conclude the show.
G & T Show Links
- New episode of Straight Outta Gallifrey – http://straightouttagallifrey.com/
- The Gettysburg’s Address – http://gbaddress.com/
- Kat’s Crazy Corner YouTube Channel – https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFubfbiEr1ZKICjdM2lDcoQ
- Geek Nation Tours Facebook page – https://www.facebook.com/GeekNationTours/
- Geek Nation Tours Facebook Photos from LA 2 Vegas Tour – https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.554591307986241.1073741839.106300016148708&type=3
- Geek Nation Tours – http://www.geeknationtours.com
- Fan Dance – Star Trek: Timelines – Beta Experiences – http://www.gandtshow.com/fan-dance-star-trek-timelines/
- Fan Dance – Star Trek: Timelines Is Now Live! – http://www.gandtshow.com/fan-dance-star-trek-timelines-is-now-live/
- Portal 47 – http://www.portal47.net
- Larry Nemecek – http://larrynemecek.com/
- Trekland – http://larrynemecek.blogspot.com/
- Trekland Trunk on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/The-Trekland-Trunk-161224037419595/
- Trekland on Facebook – https://www.facebook.com/Larry-Nemeceks-Trekland-121273617091/
- Con of Wrath – http://www.conofwrath.net
- Enterprise In Space – http://www.enterpriseinspace.org
- Timelines: Major Kira – https://www.facebook.com/startrektimelines/photos/a.1460584770844057.1073741829.1447338755501992/1729591100610088/?type=3&theater
- Timelines: Nexus Kirk – https://www.facebook.com/startrektimelines/photos/np.1452616954490215.1257760325/1729997500569448/?type=3&theater¬if_t=notify_me_page
- Timelines: Learn To Play with Executive Producer Rich Gallup – https://www.disruptorbeam.com/blog/entry/learn-to-play-star-trek-timelines
- Star Trek Online: Fiction: Suspicions – http://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/9739013
- Michele Specht recorded voice over for Star Trek Online – https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208265527021063&set=a.4764389472885.191643.1389810432&type=3&theater
- Mulgrew Memoir Out Now in Paperback – Born with Teeth – http://www.startrek.com/article/mulgrew-memoir-out-now-in-paperback
- CBS Broadcast Network Not Creatively Involved In New Star Trek Streaming Series – http://www.slashfilm.com/cbs-has-nothing-to-do-with-streaming-star-trek-series/#.VpXZ7gMryWI.facebook
- Axanar – Captain’s Log – Jan. 11th 2016 – Attempted breakin at Ares Studios – http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-jan-11th-2016/
- Axanar – Fan Film Friday – Crowdfunding Star Trek Fan Films, Part 1 – http://www.axanarproductions.com/captains-log-jan-11th-2016/
- M. Oliva – An Updated Guide to the Axanar Litigation – http://skipoliva.com/index.php/2016/01/15/an-updated-guide-to-the-axanar-litigation/
- Do Star Trek Fans Just not Understand Copyright? – http://www.stevenhwilson.com/do-star-trek-fans-just-not-understand-copyright/
- Janet on martindale.com – http://www.martindale.com/Janet-R-Gershen-Siegel/648205-lawyer.htm
- Star Trek-Like Tricorder tells You Exactly What’s In Your Food – SciO scanner for smartphones puts a spectrometer in the palm of your hand – http://futurism.com/videos/star-trek-like-tricorder-tells-exactly-whats-food/
- Fan made TOS console for sale on Craigslist – http://desmoines.craigslist.org/for/5400131193.html
- How Star Trek Beyond Pays Homage to the 1960s Series, Nimoy, and reveals Sulu’s Daughter – http://www.etonline.com/news/180156_exclusive_star_trek_beyond_pays_tribute_to_leonard_nimoy/
- 15 Super Cool Star Trek Nail Designs – http://www.prettydesigns.com/15-amazing-star-trek-nail-designs/
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