G & T Show 223 – Star Trek Musical Theater
G & T Show 223 – Star Trek Musical Theater is now available to download. Check it out here. Terry, Nick, Mike, and Janet return for a new episode. They are joined by Allen (Kojiro Vance). This week, they discuss the latest happenings in and around the Star Trek universe including General News. Then, they get into an extended discussion of the latest happening involving Axanar, especially their recent interactions with the staff of the G & T Show before getting to this week’s 50 for 50, where they discuss TNG’s Sarek and DS9’s Paradise Lost, and Allen sheds some light on the bottom ten in their Star Trek poll.
After this week’s announcements, they jump into Coffee Klatch. They start with the announcement that it’s Super Bowl Sunday. Terry is in three pools and is rooting for the team that will let her win the pool. Allen is rooting for the Broncos. Nick worked this week. His off-duty hours were taken up by something they will be discussing at length later in the show. Janet has been studying and working for the wedding blog. She talks about one of the dresses that featured a head piece with antlers. Mike tried to keep his head down and nose clean, but he did manage to record an episode of Straight Outta Gallifrey. Episode three went great and is available on the site. Episode four evaporated into the ether. It was a great episode. The doctor showed up in his Tardis and took them on an adventure but they ended up dropping the recorder so they lost the entire show.
After trying to figure out how to proceed, they decide to begin with some General News. Destination Star Trek Europe is set for October in Birmingham, England. Nick asks where Steve is. Terry hopes he’s sleeping since he mentioned he had a severe headache yesterday. They return to the discussion of Destination Star Trek and mention some of the guests scheduled to appear this year.
Mike makes a suggestion for the next news item. They proceed to talk about the Piccola Opera San Antonio. They are performing the Abduction From The Seraglio and putting a Star Trek twist on the performance. Everyone is dressed as Star Trek characters. It’s got Klingons, Orions, and a Gorn. It looks like so much fun. Nick bursts out into song and suggests Westside Story done in Star Trek. This weekend only the final performance is will be at 2:30pm. Nick talks about Grease Live. Mike watched it and is more familiar with the film and everyone on social media were comparing it to the film. The film has become a part of people’s consciousness. Xanadu was mentioned and Nick broke out into song. He asks if Saturday Night Fever counts as a musical. They also talk about Cop Rock.
The next article is about Shatner being interviewed and stating that he would reprise the role of Captain Kirk if he was asked to appear. Mike points out that Patrick Stewart that he would also reprise the role of Picard. Terry thinks Sir Ian probably told Stewart to embrace the role because it will bring more people to some of their other roles. Nick mentions Shatner’s Kingdom of the Spiders as one of his big time failures. Allen jokes that it was a musical as well.
They decide to hold off on the last article to segue into Star Trek Products to talk about the latest Axanar news int their Unofficial Productions segment. We had read that Alec had served a Cease and Desist Order against Vic and Star Trek: Continues. Nick posted on his Facebook page a request to see the C & D along with proof that it was served. It started a discussion and Alec ended up responding. Vic said he never saw it. Nick talks about the responses from Alec. Nick has an issue with Alec taking questions as attacks. He even offers an apology but that was a couple of hours later. Terry talks about how some shows would invite Alec and Robert Meyer Burnett on the show to talk about the litigation, but it didn’t sit well with her. She didn’t want to put the show into a position of being perceived as trying trap somebody into a conversation that they didn’t want to have, which is why they had requested getting permission from Axanar’s lawyers for Alec to come on the show in the first place. She’d rather have someone else get the scoop than use our show to create animosity.
Nick reiterates the fact that just because they have questions, doesn’t mean they are attacking or that they are haters. There are donors to Axanar as part of the show. Terry mentions the fan organized and funded projects, specifically FedCon USA, that have fallen apart. It makes her sensitive to situations like this where a portion of the fandom could be exploited. Nick talks about the Garth and Axanar story. He doesn’t doubt the existence of the story and the meaningfulness of the story to Alec. However, their issues are with the production and how its being handled. Allen thinks their intentions were legitimate, but mission creep set in and that has brought them to this state. Nick thinks that the Garth of Izar story was a good idea and many of them on the show thought it was an interesting idea.
Nick states that the extremists on both sides are not condoned by either side. Terry talks about how some people are saying that the only people that should care about how the money is being spent are the donors, which is not true. Mike states that he is a donor, he does care, and is asking these questions and can’t get a straight answer. He’s getting angry about it. Nick talks about how some people are being insulted for making small donations. They don’t know whether even a small donation of ten dollars might be a big deal to some people. Janet doesn’t like the idea that people have to buy the right to ask questions and the cost of those questions are expensive. As a society, they have every right to ask questions about the project. Asking questions is not a crime. Mike didn’t donate for the right to ask questions. Nick and Terry believe they have donated to the project, but it was most likely under Prelude.
Nick talks about the echo chamber effect that some of the groups that have arisen to ask questions and collaborate. Nick clarifies. No one has ever been banned, locked out, or treated badly for asking a question, unlike some groups and specifically the Axanar Fan groups. Nick compares that mentality as cult-like. Anyone that doesn’t agree or asks questions get blocked. They know of people that this has happened to, including donors that are no longer allowed to participate in the group because they posed a question that the production staff refuses to answer. Actions such as these is how an echo chamber gets built. If someone doesn’t follow the party line, they are removed, banned, ostracized, and vilified before their questions and ideas can infect others.
Terry talk about the message we received this week from Robert Meyer Burnett, the director of Axanar. He had made a comment on an episode using the Facebook login asking to come onto the show. They had not gotten the message. They had since resolved the issue that prevented them from getting notified about the comment. They had asked him to come on the show during one of the Kickstarters and he had refused. If someone wanted to come on the show, the best way to reach us is through the contact us page or through a voice mail. They had a meeting to discuss it. Terry had prepared a post but decided instead of posting it, she decided to read it on the air. Janet reminds us that opinion is neither slander or libel. Terry reads her prepared statement.
Terry states that they will not be interviewing Mr. Burnett for the same reason they will not interview Alec because of his involvement with the lawsuit. After Terry’s statement, Janets reads from the complaint that there are 20 doe defendants and believes that Mr. Burnett is one of them. He should have legal counsel or should be obtaining it. If Burnett or any of the others involved in the lawsuit were going to appear on the show, they should communicate with their counsel before hand. Nick adds that “for haters, we are going out of our way to make sure they don’t fuck themselves.”
Based on something from the chat room, Terry talks about the concern that all fan fiction and productions for every IP could be halted as a result of the lawsuit, depending on one of the possible defenses the Axanar legal team may pursue. If a waiver is used, the precedent could result in the IP holder of every IP to closely monitor and shutdown every attempt a fan may make to create a piece of fiction or a production using someone else’s IP. This hurts small and indie writers because it will force them to retain lawyers they could barely afford to protect their IP.
Nick did receive the C & D that was sent to Vic, but there was no proof of receipt. It’s not hate to ask a question. It leads to blind allegiance, which is cult-like mentality. He goes on to talk about threatening lawsuits and then denying it until proof is provided. Mike touches on something that Terry had mentioned, why does a fan production need $2 million dollars. Why couldn’t the working studio, cameras, equipment, lighting, and other items that are readily available in the area have been rented? Why did they have to take donor money and build a studio, buy new equipment, cameras, and lighting? It’s understandable buying and building the things that are unique to the production.
Terry talks about the Indiegogo campaign was ongoing until the lawsuit was filed. Indiegogo claims they stopped the campaign, while Alec stated that he shutdown the campaign. They don’t know which is which. However, donors have not seen any information on the financials from the Indiegogo campaigns. They don’t know if the money is sitting with Axanar or with Indiegogo. She wants to know where the money is and how it’s being spent. The G & T Show is not responsible to investigate it. However, they are concerned and have received numerous emails and voice mails from fans and donors that have expressed concern as well and request answers. Nick talks about an emotional voice mail that they had received. They have chosen not aired the heartbreaking message. The level of donation doesn’t mean anything. Everyone that donated gave what they could, but there are some that probably donated more than they should have. Our hearts go out to them.
Allen talks about some of the problems with crowdfunding. There is no guarantee that you’ll every see the project completed nor that you will receive the items you were promised for your donations. It’s important to pay attention to terms of services. They state that there is no guarantee that you will get what you are promised. When the goal posts start moving back, that’s when people should be getting concerned. It may not be of the highest quality, but it just needs to get done.
Nick talks about public records and doxxing. It was another point that Alec had gone off about. Janet talks about public records. If a person wants to protect an address, it should be kept off public documents, especially corporate records. There are ways to do that, including $20 to LegalZoom, or going down to the post office and getting a post office box. Terry mentions that she had been doxxed in relation to Gamer Gate. Janet offers suggestions on how to proceed. She points out that when you reveal that someone is living at your address, then that is not doxxing. Nick adds that if anyone takes any hostile actions towards another, such as attempting to break into Axanar, that is uncalled for and that you’re a bigger scum bag than anyone else. Public records are just that, public records. Terry talks about Gamer Gate and the doxxing she received while she was a female writer for Massively.
Finally, they move on to the next segment of the show, this week’s 50 for 50. This week they discuss DS9’s Paradise Lost and TNG’s Sarek. Allen also is present to talk about some of the results. Also, he released a blog post earlier in the week with some of the results so far. And, he will be releasing another blog post this week with the more results from the survey. But before we get to this week’s discussion, Allen gives us the run down of the bottom ten episodes. They discuss and are surprised by some of the episodes in the bottom.
- DS9’s Profit and Lace
09. TNG’s SubRosa
- TOS’s And the Children Shall Lead
07. DS9’s Move Along Home
06. DS9’s Let He Who Is Without Sin
- TOS’s Spock’s Brain
04. TNG’s Code of Honor
03. ENT’s These Are the Voyages
02. VOY’s Threshold
01. TNG’s Shades of Grey
They start their discussion of episodes 34 and 33, beginning with DS9’s Paradise Lost. Mike provides a brief synopsis. It was one of the few episodes where we get to see Earth in the present day without time travel or some other thing. They discuss Sisko’s relationship with his father. It also focuses on security versus freedom. It’s one of the few episodes of any series that remains relevant because security and freedom are constant being challenged. They move onto talk about TNG’s Sarek and the stigma around senility and old age. This is a prequel of sorts to a couple of episodes we discussed previously with Sarek. He didn’t want to admit to himself that he was sick and the people around him attempted to protect him from other people discovering it. They discuss degenerative diseases and Alzheimers and the stigma associated with it. Stewart and Leonard both should have been nominated for Emmy’s for their performances in this episode.
Next week, we will be discussing #32 DS9 s3e20 Improbable Cause and #31 TOS s2e13 The Trouble with Tribbles. They were surprised by the placement of this episode. They expected it to be higher. Allen talks about how close the voting for this episode was. They talk about Improbable Cause.
They wind up this week’s show with announcements. First off, they will get to the rest of the news next week, including the new licensees that will be releasing new Star Trek products in the near future. Terry whispers Build-a-bear, while Mike mentions Defiant drones. Mike mentions that the Facebook commenting on all of our posts have been repaired and we encourage our listeners to take advantage of it. He thanks Mr. Burnett for pointing out this failure in our website. Terry encourages everyone to reach out to us using social media, email, and voice mail. Finally, Mike mentions that episode three of Straight Outta Gallifrey is out and episode five should be recorded sometime in the next couple of weeks.
- Destination Star Trek Europe Set for October in Birmingham, England – http://www.startrek.com/article/destination-star-trek-europe-set-for-october-in-birmingham-england
- Shatner Is ready to return to Trek as Captain Kirk – http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/william-shatner-is-ready-return-862167?facebook_20160204
- Star Trek In for a Landmark year in licensing says CBS Consumer Products – http://www.licensing.biz/news/read/star-trek-in-for-a-landmark-year-in-licensing-says-cbs-consumer-products/043353
- Piccola Opera San Antonio – The Abduction From The Seraglio Boldly Going where No Opera has gone before – http://www.operapiccolasa.com/
- STC: Our Course Heading – Release Date, Con appearances, and Indiegogo – https://vimeo.com/153858519
- A Quote is A Quote is a Quote Is A Quote – http://1701news.com/node/1004/quote-quote-quote-quote.html
- Erin Ranahan Discusses Star Trek Copyright lawsuit with Law 360 – http://www.winston.com/en/thought-leadership/erin-ranahan-discusses-star-trek-copyright-lawsuit-with-law360.html
- Robert Meyer Burnett Twitter – Offers to come onto G & T Show – https://twitter.com/BurnettRM/status/694799831764586496
- What Does A Fan Film Need with 2 Million Dollars – http://1701news.com/node/1013/what-does-fan-film-need-2-million.html
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