G & T Show 235 – Minty Fresh Law
Minty Fresh Law! G & T Show 235 – Minty Fresh Law is now available to download. Check it out here. While Nick is moving to a new home, Terry, Mike, Janet, and Allen get together for an all new episode discussing the latest news from across the Star Trek multi-verse. This week’s topics include: General, Product, Book, Conventions, and Movie News; Unofficial Productions and Semantic Shenanigans; and a new 50 for 50 discussing TOS’s Balance of Terror and DS9’s A Call to Arms. Don’t miss out on the fun in this week’s show.
(3:05) After this week’s introductions, they jump into Coffee Klatch. Nick is moving. He got married and they are moving in together this weekend. They poke some good-natured fun at Nick since he can’t be there with them. Mike’s grandfather’s birthday party was on yesterday. They had a lot of people over. There was lots of drinking and dancing. He’s getting ready for his trip to New Mexico this coming week. Janet has been working on homework. She has finished one course already but the other is still in progress. She also got some blogs coming out about the various filings that had occurred this week including the response from Axanar and the Amicus about the Klingon Language filed by the Language Creation Society. Mike mentions that the Klingon document got him riled up this week. Allen says that he and Terry have been working, prepping for their trip, and getting ready for Mike’s arrival. Terry is still working on three more Powerpoints for her trip.
(10:07) Moving on to General News, they start with Twin Peaks. The new show continues from the original only its several years later. They populated a small town with 217 characters and 18 of them were actors that once appeared in Star Trek. They name a few of the people involved, but check out the article for the full list of Star Trek actors. The next bit of news was from the Smithsonian Magazine that featured a ten-page article written by Edward Gross and Marc Altman called An Oral History of Star Trek. It features excerpts from Altman and Grossman’s book along with details on the Enterprise restoration. The Fifty-Year Mission: The Complete, Uncensored, Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek: The First 25 Years and The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 years: From The Next Generation to JJ Abrams: The Complete, Uncensored, and Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek. There aren’t a lot of articles written for print today that are as long as this one. Mike finds the article and linked to it below.
They discuss the Patrick Stewart sketch about the European Convention on Human Rights. It was based on a Monty Python sketch from Life of Brian. It’s humorous. The next thing they discussed also deals with Patrick Stewart. He was interviewed by Thomas Middleditch from Silicon Valley, the show on HBO, for PBS. Middleditch asked Stewart to play Fuck, Marry, Kill with the TNG characters of Riker, Troi, and Data. Mike doesn’t want to spoil it, but suggest that everyone check it out. They talk about how Stewart has been having a lot of fun with his career over the last several years.
(18:07) With General News finished, they move onto this week’s Movie News. They talk about the trickle of news that has come out lately. There hasn’t been a lot, except for a few photos. Paramount is saving most of it for their fan event that will feature the trailer and will be broadcast live on Facebook. They compare it to the news of when the 2009 film came out which featured photos of storage containers. Mike definitively states that it’s not Khan. Empire has released some new stills. The species that Sofia Boutella belongs to appears to be the same species as seen in the opening of Into Darkness, only pushed forward. They discuss the article that wonders where Star Trek’s place will be within Star Wars saturation. Also, TrekCore had gotten a hold of several more still photos. They discuss them, especially the jackets that Kirk and company are wearing. They remind them of some of the uniforms from Star Trek Online. Also, Trek Movie posted an image of Star Trek 4. Mike points out that the Chinese had pre-paid for the next Star Trek movie and another franchise. Pine and Quinto had signed on for the next film, but as of yet no one else has since someone is supposed to die in this film. Allen talks about how much he likes these characters. Mike suggests killing off Chekov and bringing in Arex, the Triaxian. New Voyages was going to feature Arex in their production.
(27:14) They move onto Book News next. Terry and Mike got Elusive Salvation this week. It is a follow up to From History’s Shadow. Allen was a minor character in that story. In the new book, someone had dared Dayton Ward to put the word “Booger” into the book and it should be said by Spock. Dayton took up the challenge and accomplished it. Terry reads the passage in which Spock said the word Booger. Mike said that he had challenged Dayton to Rick Roll his next Star Trek novel. Dayton has accepted Mike’s challenge. Terry recounts a Victor Borge story. They move onto the Star Trek: The Classic Episodes books that contains 45 original Blish and Lawrence adaptations of classic Star Trek episodes contained within it’s 720 pages. It is a Barnes and Noble exclusive. Allen had read most of the those books when he was growing up. The books embellish on each episode providing additional information about each episode. The stories are not very long.
(35:00) Next up is Semantic Shenanigans. Janet mourns the death of many trees used in the production of the documents. She’s a little behind with all of the school work she’s had to get done first. Blogs are forthcoming. The defense replied to the plantiffs’ response. Terry describes civil procedure. Janet quotes the introduction and addresses the issues she finds within it. If the defense wants to be nitpicky, Janet gets nitpicky right back. Her analysis of the Response will be coming out next week and won’t be recounted here in full.
The chatroom asked about fraud. This case doesn’t deal with fraud, but if donors wish to pursue that, they should get in contact with the Attorney General and have them investigate the claims. Also from the chatroom, Axanar was a sponsor of Treklanta and the question was asked if donor money was used for that as well. If it has anything to do with donor money, donors shouldn’t wait to see what happens with this lawsuit. They won’t be dealing with the issue too much. Donors should seek their own attorneys or the Attorney General, their credit card company, or through Kickstarter and Indiegogo. Janet points out that the US government is starting to get involved when it comes to crowdfunding fraud. However, it is moving slowly. Janet clarifies that at this point, there is no indication that there has been any fraud committed with the Axanar case. Most likely, though, donors will not get their money back. Allen talks about the difference between a donation and someone that participates in a crowdfunding campaign. Janet addresses other concerns that were mentioned in the chatroom. They also discuss some of the expectations that they can see from court documents. They may not be able to see the books, or to see the exhibits or the transcript from the court case.
They return to Janet’s analysis of the Response. A little bit pregnant is still pregnant. A little infringement is still infringement. She also talks about the defense’s gripe about using a massive 10-line single space block quote. She points out that the defense had used several 5-line single space block quotes. Why are they wasting the court’s time by complaining about that in this document? Allen sarcastically points out old law. Mike describes it as N/A (non-applicable law) before stating that the law should be minty fresh.
Terry wants to move onto the Amicus brief. She describes it briefly before passing it to Janet and Mike. Terry was concerned that the lawyer that filed the Amicus brief may have been involved with the Oracle v. Google case. Klingon was a constructed language such as Java that the Google case involves. Janet begins by providing some background. They are not a party to the case. They didn’t sue anyone. The Language Creation Society is merely showing that they are concerned about how this case can impact them. They argue that language is a system and cannot be copyrighted and Janet agrees in general. The Klingon argument is one of the weakest parts and it doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of this case. What does matter is when characters are dressed like Klingons, have make-up that makes them look like Klingons, named in a similar convention of other Klingons, references the canon created by the books, tv shows, and movies, and speaks the language; then, they are for all intents and purposes are Klingon. Her connection takes her out for a few minutes.
Mike steps up and talks about the Language Creation Society. From what he understands, the gentleman that runs the group also created the languages for Game of Thrones. He has a vested interest in weakening the copyright claim on created languages. KLI and other groups have a license to work and utilize the language. Without the copyright, these organizations can do what they want with the languages. Janet returns and finishes her point. Terry asks what the difference between Windows and Linux. Mike explains that it probably has to do with the policy governing the code, since the languages are basically identical for both. Esperanto was created as open source or public domain so people can use it.
Mike mentions a conversation he had about the idea of a living language. In Mike’s opinion, a living language is a language that evolves over time based on the needs of its users. Coding languages and created languages such as Klingon don’t evolve in the same way as a living language. They are updated by their creators. He describes how the KLI will often invite Marc Okrand, the creator of the Klingon language, to their events and provide him with a list of new words that their members would like added to the language. Then, during their meeting, he will reveal some new words — sometimes based on their wishlist, other times based on what he wants them to have. There is no natural evolution to the language. It is created and maintained by a creator.
Janet talks about systems and how that would make a much better argument for the defense. She talks about Yiddish and how it was created as a form of Hebrew and German. The language still evolves over time. She wonders when does a language move from a copyrightable thing to its own living system. She discusses the child being raised to speak Klingon as a second language. She asks why wasn’t Klingon being taught as a first language? Mike states that the reason is that the language isn’t complete. That is why they have to keep going back to Okrand asking for more vital words to be added to the language. He admits that there are literary works and popular songs being translated into Klingon, but not everything can be translated because the language doesn’t have those words yet. Mike has nothing but respect for those people that have undertaken the language and have taken on some of these projects. Mike even mentions how some of the Trek novelists will ask Okrand for words for their work. Mike also points out a problem with natural languages through deviations, dialects, colloquialisms, and other adjustments to the language. If anyone can create a word, misunderstandings can occur as one group recognizes one word to mean something while another word is used to identify the same thing. It’s the role of groups such as KLI and Oxford for the English language to make sense of it all and put forth the common denominators of a language regardless of where it is spoken. However, as long as the creator of the language is involved and referenced in its updating, then the language can not evolve naturally.
If there was a western film created where there was no references to Star Trek but the characters could speak Klingon, then that could be a valid argument showing that the language had evolved beyond its direct attachment to Trek. However, the majority of the plays and productions put forth that use Klingon all reference Trek directly. The two are inseparable at this time. Klingon is a form of code that Trekkies can use to communicate with each other without outsiders participating in the conversation. Terry recounts a couple of people that will use their native language whenever they don’t want her to understand what they are saying. Mike offers his deepest respect to Deyvid and Jen Usellis and anyone else that could use the language. He praises them for their efforts. They wind down the discussion to move onto other topics.
(1:29:11) Product News is next. Terry starts them off with a Star Trek Pinball Machine Coffee Table. It looks like a TNG era Shuttlecraft. It is a one of a kind that cost $15,000. It took 390 hours to make. Terry calls it a piece of art. Mike wonders if it works. ThinkGeek announced new TNG Starfleet dresses for ladies. Terry wouldn’t look good in the dress, but she thinks the dress is very cute. Roddenberry’s Star Trek 50th Anniversary Lapel pin is back in stock. Next, they discuss Geek Paintings. They are a series of several slats that form a single image. They are paintings of the Enterprise in Space. The first titled Beyond appears to be more along the lines of concept art, while Into Darkness is more photo realistic. Moving along, a new piece has been revealed by the Bradford Exchange that is positively understated compared to some of their other products. This is a class ring-styled Star Trek silver ring that features onyx and a diamond. It has an enterprise image on both sides with an engraved message on the inside. They like it. Eaglemoss has unveiled a new product. They are getting into more than starships. They are creating a new collection for the comics. It is a super-anthology. Each volume will have a complete comic series along with an additional standalone comic or two including a classic comic story with it. They are starting off with IDW comics, but they plan to expand it to include comic series from Marvel, DC, GoldKey, British Strips, and Malibu. Star Trek: The Graphic Novel Collection. Finally, they talk about the Hallmark Table Top decoration that Mike describes would be a great addition to your nativity scene as the three wise men. The diorama is well done and features Spock, Kirk, and McCoy with the command chair. Mike jokes about the nativity scene again and will feature targs and along with baby Akaar in the manger.
(1:39:26) They move to Convention News. G & T Show has been confirmed for Press passes for Star Trek: Mission New York. Allen and Janet will be celebrating their birthdays during the convention. The chatroom points out the STLV 5-day ticket auction. Some unsold or returned tickets are being auctioned. The going price for them right now is $700. The convention is still sold out. As the convention approaches, they will probably start hearing more and more about the new television show.
(1:41:52) Janet suggests an Unofficial Production update on the status of current productions that have been shutdown or are continuing to move forward, or that are moving on to other projects. Before stepping away for a moment, Terry mentions how other fan productions are being affected by the Axanar lawsuit. Star Trek: Constellation wasn’t contacted by CBS but they have shut down preemptively. They may return once the environment becomes for agreeable to fan films. In the meantime, they are moving forward with some original sci-fi films. Star Trek New Voyages hasn’t confirmed that they have been contacted, but several people involved in that production have announced that they are stepping back from Star Trek and will producing an original sci-fi film or series in the near future. There will be a Kickstarter for their new project announced soon and will feature Tim Russ among other Trek productions. Janet reiterates the list as it currently stands. She thinks prudence is a good thing. Star Trek Continues is still struggling to reach the midway point of their goal. They wish these productions making their own original content luck.
Janet still struggles with connection issues. While she gets reconnected, they move onto this week’s 50 for 50. This week they discuss TOS’s Balance of Terror and DS9’s Call to Arms. Allen provides a synopsis for each episode and starts off the discussion for each. Everyone offers their thoughts and opinions on the episodes. Janet’s connection gets staticy. The next installment of 50 for 50 will not occur until May 22nd due to travel and vacation plans. When the segment returns, they will be discussing TOS’s City on the Edge of Forever and TNG’s All Good Things. These results were so surprising that Mike reminds everyone that listeners only have themselves to blame.
They wind down the episode with this week’s announcements. Mike begins with the news that Starfinder has posted a Season Two Teaser. Also, support the O Sports Show by checking out another form of fandom. Mike will be broadcasting from New Mexico. Terry and Allen will be on a working vacation. They are still looking for some more Ask Dayton questions. Nick should be here next week. Janet has officially launched the social media accounts for her final project. Check out LonelyWriter on Facebook and @Lonely1Writer on Twitter for more information and to follow her progress on her final project for school.
UPDATE: The G & T Show has received an email from the Language Creation Society with some corrections. They are:
- Yes, we know that the Welsh government’s Klingon response was in jest. 😉 But it still supports the point that people use the language, without asking or needing Paramount’s approval, which is what our amicus is about.
* Not sure what you mean re us or Marc being involved in the Oracle v Google case. I’m not aware of any such involvement. (It’s related case law, but that’s not the same thing.)
* The Klingon language part of the overall suit is, indeed, relatively small compared to all the other infringement claims made by Paramount (which we take no position on).
* David J Peterson was LCS President for a period starting after his involvement w/ Dothraki. I was LCS President at the time we got the HBO job, and Christophe Grandsire-Koevoets is the current LCS President.
David is currently involved w/ the LCS only in running our journal, fiatlingua.org. He was part of the our internal discussion leading up to the amicus brief, but it represents the LCS’ own interests, not David’s personal ones.
* The Académie française isn’t just historical; it’s still in
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