G & T Show 260 – A Big Redacted Mistake

G & T Show 260 – A Big Redacted Mistake

The G & T Show Redacted Mistake

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G & T Show 260 – A Big Redacted Mistake is now available to download. And you can check it out here. Nick, Terry, Mike, Janet, and Allen have returned for an all new episode of the G & T Show, discussing all of the latest news coming out of the Star Trek multiverse. And this week, they take a look at General, Gaming, Product, Television, and Book News. Furthermore, they address a voice mail which came in this week. And Janet lays some Semantic Shenanigans on us with an update on the Axanar lawsuit and a new suit being sought by Dr. Seuss Enterprises for a Dr. Seuss / Star Trek mashup that appeared on Kickstarter not that long ago. Join them for all of the fun in this week’s episode of the G & T Show.

Coffee Klatch

First of all, they begin with introductions as usual before moving onto this week’s Coffee Klatch. Nick lost his grandmother last week and had to give the last minute eulogy. He speaks about her brieflly.

Terry’s Troubles

So Terry had some excitement. Because two weeks ago, she had experienced some chest pains and ended up in the ER. However, her heart was fine. So she went to San Diego for a mediation. Terry had dinner with Brandon Felczer and went to bed early. Yet she woke up with more chest pains. And it turned out to be her gallbladder. Nick had his gallbladder removed and talks about his experiences. Terry has been to the doctor and they are discussing options. And Nick talks about his latest visit to the doctor.

Healthy Mike

Mike did see his doctor this week, but is actually healthy at the moment. So he worked on the technical issues with the stream. And Mike played STO, Timelines, and Transformers. Thursday, the new wave from LEGO Dimensions came out and is filled with 80s goodness. There are packs featuring E.T., Gremlins, Sonic The Hedgehog, and a couple from Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. He talks about LEGO Dimensions briefly. And the new LEGO Batman movie is part of the next wave. Nick talks Teen Titans Go and Mike adds that Teen Titans Go, Power Puff Go, Goonies, Knight Rider, and many more are slated to come out this year.

Busy Janet

Janet has been going through court documents and blogging. She has also been writing for NANOWRIMO. Janet has hit her 50k mark, but the story is only halfway there. She talks shares a little bit about her story. And it is petticoats and ray guns. Mike thinks it sounds steampunk-ish. Robert Reyes described it as the X-Files theme played on the calliope. Janet is not experiencing any health issues, but they talk about gout for a moment.

Festive Allen

Allen has been busy at work and helping Terry while she was in the hospital. They are going to start decorating for the holidays early and spread it out over the next week. Allen and Terry won’t turn on lights or anything so they won’t be that house. Mike says his is that house. Their decorations starting going up before Halloween. Nick is a firm believer that no decorations should go up before Thanksgiving, but admits that their tree is already up. He, however, refuses to watch any Christmas movie until after Thanksgiving. His wife is going to make him watch Elf, so he’s going to make her watch Scrooged and Die Hard.

24 Hours of G & T Redux

First of all, the G & T Show has been busy this week. And they have released several hours of their 24 Hours of G & T fundraiser marathon. So the first ten hours is available on the website. They discuss some of the highlights from this year’s fundraiser. Thank you to everyone for helping with their show. There is a new Supplemental Log (not part of the fundraiser) with Mike and Denise Okuda, who discussed the Star Trek Encyclopedia and the Roddenberry Vault.

Nick describes  the hour with Semantic Shenanigans and Women At Warp as the best hour of show they have ever produced. However, the following hour with the mock-trial with Trek Geeks and Five Year Mission was the worst hour of show they have ever done. Janet will be visiting a diner with the guys from TrekGeeks soon (and pie will be consumed). Nick declares war on TrekGeeks because he thinks a podcast war between them will be epic. Terry is a pacifist and doesn’t want to war against them. Mike can barely recall most of the fundraiser. The O Sports Show had also joined them. Terry talks about them briefly. Nick thanks Larry Nemecek for joining and helping carry the show when they were flagging. During the fundraiser, their teamspeak was attacked, but it couldn’t stop them.

Gaming News

Moving on they get to Gaming News. First of all is the new piece of fiction: Tales From K-13. The story features some of the TOS-era people waking up from stasis and discovering that the Federation and the Klingons are not at war anymore. And some of them don’t handle it very well. They also discuss the Tzenkethi coming into the game with the latest episode. Mike wonders if they will be seeing Tzenkethi, as likes how they are described in the books. They have not been seen in the shows.

Running through quickly some of the other news headlines for Star Trek Online, Terry mentions the new T6 Archon Assault Cruiser, and the new Fleet Holding Unlocks for K-13. Terry didn’t understand the console updates. Mike explains that fleets have been available since its release, while the Admiralty system has only become available with the recent update.

STO Featured Episode

And then Terry discusses the new Featured Episode. Nick and Mike both have played it. Terry loved it. Then they all share their impressions on the Delta. They speculate about what different things mean. Everyone liked the exploration bit at the beginning. Mike thought it was great seeing exploration through Kuumaarke’s eyes.

What bugged Mike was by the end, he was convinced she was working for the Tzenkethi and had set off the bomb because she knew everything about everything in the last part of the episode. Could the Lukari be pulling the wool over their eyes? Mike agrees that they could be an expert in something but not everything. Terry thinks the Lukari had a history with the Tzenkethi. Mike and Nick don’t think so. Terry theorizes that the Tzenkethi may be the reason why the Lukari abandoned exploration. Terry also wonders if the Lukari gave the Tzenkethi the proto-matter bomb. Meanwhile, Janet is just confused.

Star Trek Timelines

For Timelines, Star Trek.com posted an article about five reasons people should play Timelines over the holidays. So they quickly go over the highlights of the article and discuss some of the reasoning behind them. Because the game is reminiscent of a pick your own adventure book.

Product News

There’s a lot of product news, but the big news is that Her Universe will be partnering with ThinkGeek to deliver some great Star Trek line of clothing. As usual, the rest of the product news will be part of the monthly Product News Roundup, so keep an eye out for that.

Television News

So they move onto Television News next. And there are rumors that Star Trek Discovery will feature both language and nudity. Terry isn’t bothered by language. However, Mike points out that Trek traditionally has been something you can share with your whole family. Therefore language and nudity may prevent that. Yet the article describes the nudity as possibly being both human and alien, whereas the language will be evolved by several hundred years. Hence it may not be recognizable today.

Terry is more concerned about Game Of Thrones level sex. Allen chimes in and states that in the 60s they skirted the issue with the way women were costumed or how the episode was cut together. Leave things to the imagination. Terry wonders if they are making a mistake with it. She is concerned that it will come across as identical to everything else … boring. The gang adopts a wait attitude to see how it’s handled. They contrast 2009 and Into Darkness with Enterprise and how they skirted the subject. Terry wants to know what you think about how Discovery should handle nudity and language.

Listener Mail

They segue to listener mail. Richard asked how to find the premiere episode of the G & T Show. Mike explains that when the show began they were streaming from Star Trek Online to YouTube and the first two episodes were not saved properly. He was able to import all of the episodes from three onward, but the first two episodes are lost to time. They try to remember what the first episode was like. Mike thinks it had to be about the great Sisko debate. This is because when he came onboard, there had been many references to it but he didn’t know what they were talking about until much later. Nick remembers the Ferengi episode which is on the website.

General News

They pick and choose and cover a few items from General News next. First of all, the New Mexico Museum of Space History in Alamogordo is inducting Gene Roddenberry in a new year-long exhibit chronicling the history of his ground-breaking series. Terry is a couple hundred miles away, but she and Allen will have to make he trip to check it out. And this leads to discussion of geography and the differences between east and west coast states.

Pushing forward, they mention the articles about Anton Yelchin’s photography, the five minute interview with artist Paul Shipper, World COPD Day, and secret stories for 10 jigsaw puzzles from Dayton Ward for Star Trek.com. Finally, cosplayer extraordinaire, Eric Hall, published an article for Star Trek.com discussing the creation of Borg costumes for children.

Book News

They jump in and out of Book News. First, they congratulate Dayton Ward and Kevin Dilmore for the publication of their first comic book. WayPoint #2 has been released and is available at your favorite book seller.

Semantic Shenanigans

They hand the floor over to Janet and Semantic Shenanigans to talk about the latest news coming out of Axanar.

Dr. Seuss Enterprises vs. ComicMix and Gerrold, et al

First of all, Janet covers the recent lawsuit from Dr. Seuss Enterprises against ComicMix LLC for their Seuss / Trek mashup book from Kickstarter. David Gerrold is involved in this fight. Seuss is suing for trademark infringement and unfair competition under California law. They seek up to $150k per infringement with treble damages from the California statute.

Janet blogs about it on Semantic Shenanigans. She’s still waiting for more information to come forward. It’s almost a page for page copy of the Seuss book All The Places You’ll Go except they are wearing TOS uniforms. Glenn Hauman edited the project and David Gerrold wrote it. The artist is also being sued. Janet provides some details on the suit. CBS has not joined the lawsuit at this time. It is (probably) a parody or satire of Trek, but that’s not the case when it comes to Seuss. Semantic Shenanigans has side by side analysis of the images.

Semantic Shenanigans can be found on their website, Google Play, iTunes, Stitcher, and Tune-In.

Axanar

So they move on to the Axanar case. And Nick talks about something Robert Meyer Burnett had done. He had doxxed Shawn O’Halloran on Twitter. And this was followed with a threat against Shawn. Donors should beware because it reveals a lot about these people.

Mike takes a moment to squirrel about the Klingon Pop Warrior. They are getting close to their goal. She has already going into the studio to record. Jen produces and gets licensing in order to do it. Help her out if you can.

Depositions

Returning to Axanar, Nick asks about lying in a deposition. It carries the penalty of perjury. Janet mentions what can happen to a lawyer if they lie on court documents. They can get sanctioned or disbarred. The risk is too high for them to lie on a court document. Mike asks what happens to the lawyer, if they are stating true facts but the client lied to the lawyer. The lawyer has to act under good faith. They are not responsible for that. However, they must question it and try to get at the truth. In the Axanar case, counsel seems to have produced documents and made statements in good faith, based upon what the defendants told them.

What Summary Judgment Is

Terry explains that both CBS and Axanar have filed for Summary Judgment on the entire case or portions of it without going to a jury trial. The documents encompass over a thousand pages and it will take Janet a long time to evaluate. The attached items provided some insights that were not known before, some of which came out of Axanar’s filings and not CBS’s.

I’m Redacted? No, You’re Redacted! Wait, no one is Redacted?

Janet begins with the redaction issue accompanying the latest round of documents. Plaintiffs’ counsel redacted the documents incorrectly. Nick and Terry explain the proper way to redact documents. However, Defense hasn’t redacted the same content as the plaintiffs though they both referenced the same stuff.

Janet reads some of the pertinent information from Exhibit 2 to the Oki Declaration supporting the Defense’s motion. And it discussed what Peters spent the money on instead of funding the film.

So it included: tires for his Lexus; to service his car; paying for gas for his and his then-girlfriend’s cars for over 2 years; phones and services for himself, girlfriend, and Robert Meyer Burnett; his health insurance; Alec’s car insurance; his AAA membership; TSA pre-check fees; and to travel to conventions around the world. Furthermore, he paid for restaurant meals, and gave debit cards to his girlfriend and Robert Meyer Burnett. And these debit cards drew on the funds obtained from Star Trek fans. And the studio also housed Propworx but Propworx didn’t pay any rent for the use of the space. In addition, Peters met with Amazon and Netflix about distributing Axanar and other unlicensed Star trek products. And all of this was redacted in the Plaintiffs’ documents but was not redacted in the Defense’s documents.

It Doesn’t Matter if you put the Money Back

Janet goes on to address the statement Peters had made about putting in his own money. Because this was supposedly to pay back what he took out of Axanar. However, it doesn’t matter. Because he took money out in the first place. And that has an affect on a number of things that constitute him benefiting personally from it.

Donors may not have anything to worry about when it comes to infringement. However, larger donors with Executive Producer roles may need to be careful. Donors are safe as long as they thought they were donating to a fan film rather to an infringing independent film.

Janet is still reviewing documents.

Controlling the Narrative

And then Nick asks about what has been happening on the Kickstarter page. Because this was to keep people from asking legitimate questions or posting negative comments. So Mike coins the phrase Axa-spam. Because in order to bury negative comments or questions, Axanar has been repetitively posting the latest Axanar post. And then the post’s content is copy and pasted over and over again until negative comments are no longer visible on the page without digging deeper.

Their minds were blown when Peters had approached NetFlix. Mike still can’t wrap his brain around it. Netflix has a relationship with CBS over Star Trek and they wouldn’t jeopardize that relationship in order to carry Axanar.

This Can’t Be Relevant

In addition, Janet reads a little from Peter’s deposition. And it made them roll their eyes over how relevant any of it was. Because he admits that he knew enough about Trek in order to know what not to infringe upon.

They suggest donors write their own fan fiction and post it on fan fiction websites. Because it’s highly likely that CBS will not prosecute you for it. Don’t support a person who clearly wanted to infringe on someone else’s intellectual property as was evident by Peters attempting to distribute Axanar on Netflix.

They wind up this week’s show. They are unsure if they will have a post-holiday show, so keep an eye on their Facebook and Twitter accounts for an all new episode of the G & T Show.

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Mike Medeiros is a great storyteller in his own mind. He’s been known to put words to page and sometimes, he even turns them into audio stories for himself, his friends and the occasional stranger that stumbles upon his stuff by accident. He has written, writes, and will write for Gates of Sto’vo’kor, Blood of the Neirrh, Star Trek: Starfinder, The Klingons of Long Island, Reality’s Edge, and Zygerus. Some of his stories and other writings have materialized on websites and forums for the G & T Show, Priority One, ScienceFiction.com, Star Trek Online, and even Star Trek.com. He’s written a few playable missions for Star Trek Online and has even had a couple of them spotlighted. He keeps saying he’s working on a novel, but is he really? A comic book is more likely. If only he could make money flinging ink at the screen, he’d be a happy camper.

But, wait. There’s more.

He is the co-owner of Busy Little Beaver Productions and is the producer and co-host for G & T Show and Gates of Sto’vo’kor. He’s directed voice actors, and produced and edited audio podcasts and dramas because he doesn’t have the face for video. He plays well with others and is always on the look out for the next project, the next thing, the next next. If he wasn’t working on something with a half dozen other projects waiting in the wings, somebody please check to make sure he’s still breathing.

During the day, he’s a mild-mannered computer repair man who dabbles in web design in his small, rural, Central California community. He lives with his lovingly dysfunctional family and loyal canine companion and spends most of his time in the closet concocting some hair-brained scheme or another. He’s got an unhealthy obsession with Lego video games, Klingons, and Star Trek Online that borders on the neurotic.

Despite all this, he still finds the time to write the words. Find out what he's doing here.
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Michael Medeiros

Mike Medeiros is a great storyteller in his own mind. He’s been known to put words to page and sometimes, he even turns them into audio stories for himself, his friends and the occasional stranger that stumbles upon his stuff by accident. He has written, writes, and will write for Gates of Sto’vo’kor, Blood of the Neirrh, Star Trek: Starfinder, The Klingons of Long Island, Reality’s Edge, and Zygerus. Some of his stories and other writings have materialized on websites and forums for the G & T Show, Priority One, ScienceFiction.com, Star Trek Online, and even Star Trek.com. He’s written a few playable missions for Star Trek Online and has even had a couple of them spotlighted. He keeps saying he’s working on a novel, but is he really? A comic book is more likely. If only he could make money flinging ink at the screen, he’d be a happy camper. But, wait. There’s more. He is the co-owner of Busy Little Beaver Productions and is the producer and co-host for G & T Show and Gates of Sto’vo’kor. He’s directed voice actors, and produced and edited audio podcasts and dramas because he doesn’t have the face for video. He plays well with others and is always on the look out for the next project, the next thing, the next next. If he wasn’t working on something with a half dozen other projects waiting in the wings, somebody please check to make sure he’s still breathing. During the day, he’s a mild-mannered computer repair man who dabbles in web design in his small, rural, Central California community. He lives with his lovingly dysfunctional family and loyal canine companion and spends most of his time in the closet concocting some hair-brained scheme or another. He’s got an unhealthy obsession with Lego video games, Klingons, and Star Trek Online that borders on the neurotic. Despite all this, he still finds the time to write the words. Find out what he's doing here.

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