G & T Show 43 – Mother’s Day Madness & Manly Tears
Mother’s Day Madness & Manly Tears
Oh, it’s time for Mother’s Day Madness & Manly Tears!
G & T Show 43 – Mother’s Day Madness & Manly Tears is now available for downloading. Give it a listen here. With Nick still recovering from his surgery earlier in the week, this week’s episode features quite an usual line up of Terry, Mike and special guest host Paul, Cpt.PFDennis from Starbase UGC. Despite being a man down, they’ve got a new Ask Dayton, Star Trek Las Vegas Updates, Star Trek 12 Movie News, Terry’s Voyager Watch, fascinating discussions about the TNG finale and movies and so much more. Later in the show, the cast will be greeted by a special guest
Terry opens this weeks show wishing all our listeners a happy mothers day, human-, doggy-, and kitty-mothers included. The cast go on to describe their busy weeks, from Mike and Paul busy working weeks to Terry’s tale of the circle of life playing out in her front yard with a pinyon jay killing a finch, stunning Terri and completely spoiling her breakfast in the process.
Moving on from pinyon jays and ruined breakfasts, Terry lays out the plans for the rest of the show. Earlier in the week, Nick laid out plans to discuss All Good Things and Star Trek Generations. With Nick unavailable, Terry plans on upholding that earlier promise and dedicate the episode to comparing the writing between the series finale and the feature movie of The Next Generation franchise, passing the torch and why Good Things worked and Generations didn’t.
She also promises to read out this week’s Ask Dayton and talk about several things happening in Star Trek Online that have come to the attention of panel. Mike promises to try his best to not get ranty.
With the show plan laid out, the cast slide into the Star Trek Las Vegas Update. This week has been very quite but Terry informs us of the addition of Eddie Paskey who played Lieutenant Leslie. Appearing in the Original Series, Leslie is one of TOS’ most prominent reoccurring redshirts, appearing in an incredible 57 episodes, more then principle characters like Sulu or Chekov. Terry also mentions that the designers of the Enterprise-D model will also be doing a panel during the convention. In the chat room, Lanny ask Terry about some resent developments regarding Ronny Cox, who will sadly be unable to attend STLV while he tours the west of Ireland as part of his musical tour. For those who are interested in knowing more want to be a part of it, please check out his website.
Paul mourns the fact that Patrick Stewart will not be attending either due to his commitment to the Olympic Games in London this summer. Mike comments about how fun the Olympics will be this year and how he wishes he could go, prompting the rest of the cast reminiscing about the past games from their youth, from Terry experiences in the Pasadena police department during the 1984 games to Paul and the Lake Placid in 1980. Terryregales to us the tale of her fangirl crush on Jim Craig, following his career with the Atlanta Flames, sweater collecting before promising not to turn this week’s podcast into another hockey discussion.
With Nick absent this week, Mike has the privilege of asking this weeks Ask Dayton with the deep, provoking question of “Why?” with Dayton taking the time to wish our missing panelist the best while confronting the mysteries of life, the universe and bacon.
With Ask Dayton over and sanity regained, the team press onto the subject of Star Trek Online and the resent release of an interview by the United Federation of Planets with Dan Stahl, executive producer of the game. The interview entailed a series of questions regarding plans to continue remaster old PvE missions as well as the prospect of community authored Foundry missions becoming more prominent in STO.
While the panel are pleased with this news, they also hold some reservations. Paul suspects there may be an agenda behind the new attention the Foundry is receiving. Mike suspects that the producers at Crytpic may be taking advantage of the work of the Foundry to save money and keep themselves in the black rather then risk investment on stories.
Terry also brings light to a new fear that featured missions may have come on an end, highlighting Stahls comment about their cost efficacy versus their return investment, and praising the work of Cryptic_Kestrel and her writing for STO. Mike proposes the idea of posting Kestrel’s unused story lines and allowing foundry authors to try and bring her work alive or reinterpret as they please, similar to the Foundry challenges currently being offered.
The panel also make their opinions known about a resent survey regarding lock boxes and lobi crystals, cursing banal bounties and untradable bridge officers. In a bid to beat the content drought, Terry tells us about her experience playing a new character and how in game content like lock boxes are of far greater benefit to leveling characters then veteran subscription players.
It is during this heated debate that a certain someone makes themself know, with Nick making a grand cuss filled entrance. Despite earlier contact during the week and promises to the contrary, communication difficulties before the show had led Mike and Terry believed Nick to still be resting after his surgery and were letting him sleep on. After many heart felled apologies, the panel take the time to shine a spotlight on the latest foundry challenge, Holodeck Hypocrisy.
Moving on from STO, the crew move on to the latest Star Trek movie news. This week has been largely quite with the exception of the announcement that principle filming has wrapped as of Wednesday, just over 13 months before it’s due to be released. Post production is due to begin soon and be finished by December. Let the lens flare commence! Terry also provides the news that with filming finished on Star Trek, Simon Pegg has begun work on the principle filming on LA Noir, based off the high popular video game of the same name. Our panelist begin to speculate on when the teaser trailer for next Star Trek will begin to leak out, with Nick proposing that thanksgiving will be the start of it.
Moving on, we push on to the main crux of this weeks show and the discussion on All Good Things and Generations. Having spent the past week reviewing the two, Nick offers his opinions of the success and failures of the two stories. He believes the main reason behinds Generations failure is the simple fact they were trying to throw too much into the story, the presence of the Duras sister for example, and thus suffered because of this. He further cements this view with quotes made by the writers about the difficulties in writing the movies and how they were under pressure from the studios.
Terry comments about how she believes Generations to be the start of a downward slope of trek movies become more action orientated over story while All Good Things succeeded because of it’s character focus. Nick comments that during his rewatch, he found his interest in All good Things to be lacking. Paul thinks Generations failings lie in the fact that it’s writers were struggling trying to cope with the transition from tv to the movie screen.
Mike reveals a discomfort with Picard’s evolution at the end of All Good Things, commenting how he felt Picard’s opening up to his crew to feel too far out of character. Nick mentions the snarl in continuity in AGT, the mix up between ships and their temporal pulses and how even the writers admitted they were getting confused with their own stories too. He also expands on his earlier point about his lacking interest in All good Things because the two share such similar time travel stories, and how finales like DS9’s What You Leave Behind and Voyager’s Endgame are superior in the regards to closing up story threads.
Terry counterpoints with the fact that All good Things had to remain open ended simply to allow for Generations. The crew then move onto discuss the ending of Deep Space Nine and their opinions and comparing it to All Good Things. Terry mentions that while she is annoyed with the writing for one specific character, she thoroughly enjoys the resolution for the rest of the cast. Paul also brings up his disappointment with the final montage for Dax and lacking of any Jadzia. Terry counterpoints with her that it is simply a reluctance on the studios part to pay for something they don’t have to.
Moving back towards TNG, Terry comments about how she feels All Good Things is a far better ending for her then it is for Nick, bringing the Picard/Q relationship and the never ending trial full circle, one of the few overreaching arc in TNG compared to the likes of DS9 or Voyager. Nick and Mike counterpoint with the inclusion of Tomalak and the Klingon civil war and their story arc in TNG. The panel begin discussing the long term story arcs of Deep Space 9, Battlestar Galactica and Babylon 5 and how difficult it is for writers like Ronald D Moore and J. Michael Straczynski plotting out their stories and fighting against actor availability and limitations leaving their arcs open ended.
Nick praises DS9’s talent at establishing and developing secondary characters, a talent lost in Enterprise and Voyager according to Terry, who choose instead to focus on the captain.
Mike comments that while it may not have had the same in depth character study of character like DS9 had, it did allow us to see far more of the people inhabiting the ship, a comment that draws ire from Nick, upset with how many of the crew were portrayed, the Delaney sisters being a prime example, and going on to offer his opinions on the main cast, vastly under served Chakotay, Tuvok’s brilliant writing, B’Elana’s evolution from caricature to multi-faceted individual, and his disappointment with the “Let’s fuck with Harry” episodes, feeling that the characters youth and naivety did not compliment the stories in the same way they did for O’Brien. Cush in the chat room had said “Voyager touched upon a lot of the crew but never developed them”, a comment which draws reluctant agreement from Nick.
To compare Voyagers approach to characters, Nick brings up the comparison between Good Shepherd and Lower Decks and how the two differed in their approach, with Lower Decks day-in-the-life approach compared with the artificial jeopardy. Terry expand on that point by commenting how Lower Decks offers the unique redshirt perspective, allowing the audience to get to know the character before their death, while Nick mentions his enjoyment of the call out to First duty, one of his favorite episodes. Paul mentions his enjoyment with the use of an existing and well known character like Sito Jaxa. This leads the panel to begin discussing Sito’s actions in First Duty and how they affect her character interactions in Lower Decks. Nick mentions how he enjoyed the juxtaposition between higher ups like Riker and Worf when compared with her fellow colleagues and how her actions in First Duty have coloured their opinions.
After sending a few jibes Terry’s way for not contacting him about the show, Nick steps out of his usual gruff demeanour to say his thanks to number of people, from the members of Caspian Division, to Chris (aka Cancergirl) who kept him company after his surgery and to the sender of a mysterious package.
Here’s to hoping that this material possession brings you enough joy to generate a speedy recovery. Helna’s idea by the way. also, if you don’t get this signed at STLV, a foot less of intestines or not, I will fly up there and cunt-punch you. Or I’ll just let Helna to do it for me.
Get well soon, Hav“
He also takes the time to thank the doctors involved in his surgery and those in the armed forces, the unsung heroes who skills blow his mind every time, his parents who drove down to be there with him and helped pass on word to Terry when he got out of surgery.
Nick regals to us the tale of his recovery, from his painful first steps, to his deborging and eventual release. With thanks bestowed and composure regained, the cast move onto this weeks mail. Nick reads a resent e-mail from Oren of All Things Trek regarding an earlier episode discussion on the subject of Sisko, the Prophets freewill.
Terry comments about how the only way Sisko can achieve any solace in this situation to her is if he had no free will to begin with. This comment prompts a very serious and heart filled discussion between Terry and Nick over the subject of willpower, freewill, destiny and their view on how it led to the formation of the G & T Show.Drifting back to the topic of generation, Nick reveals that during his re-watch of Generations, his opinions towards Captain Harriman have changed. Having once viewed him as spineless, he has come to see the character in a new light, a man simply overwhelmed and lacking drew and equipment turning to a more experienced Admiral Kirk for suggestions.
With this new found respect for Harriman, Nick reveals plans to download the Lost Era novel for Harriman. He also reveals that he has completed the Captain Log comic written by Keith R. A. DeCandido on Captain Jellico, his supreme enjoyment of the story, future plans to scratch his beard as thanks and ponders getting the bound comics signed.
Nick reveals that during free comic book day, he managed to pick up another Riker action figure for her ever growing collection. Terry explains to us about her collection of Riker dolls, sent from fans all over the world.
With the show running long, Nick tries to push the show the show along, asking if Terry has made any new progress in her Voyager watch, to which she reveals she has not, revealing after thanking Chris yet again for all her hard work during the week, Nick comments about how STO has force him to buy not one, but two new computer mice, while Terry was forced to buy a new keyboard after the keys on her old one had been worn away.
This discussion provides Nick with the perfect segway to talk with Mike about the G & T Show’s Amazon Store. Mike promises that so long as you visit Amazon through the links provided on the G & T website, that the credit tag will follow you through. Nick makes a personal appeal to the audience, asking anyone living in the area capable of driving to help him visit his parent next week and generally get out of the house. He also asks for volunteers to join him in reading/rereading the Deep Space 9 relaunch series, once again thanking Havraha for his gift
Nick concludes this weeks show by reading a suggestion from Admiral Rex on the forums, suggesting a lengthy discussion on the Vanguard books, But only when he has finished them. Alternatively, Admiral Rex suggests a series of shows outside the regular podcast, dedicated solely to one book or series of books where spoilers are welcome and to fans can listen in their own time once they have finished the books themselves
With the end of the show drawing near, Nick suggests the topic for next week be the animated series, before blaming Mike for his late appearance and threatening him with contract negotiations once more
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He is the co-owner of Busy Little Beaver Productions and is the producer and co-host for G & T Show and Gates of Sto’vo’kor. He’s directed voice actors, and produced and edited audio podcasts and dramas because he doesn’t have the face for video. He plays well with others and is always on the look out for the next project, the next thing, the next next. If he wasn’t working on something with a half dozen other projects waiting in the wings, somebody please check to make sure he’s still breathing.
During the day, he’s a mild-mannered computer repair man who dabbles in web design in his small, rural, Central California community. He lives with his lovingly dysfunctional family and loyal canine companion and spends most of his time in the closet concocting some hair-brained scheme or another. He’s got an unhealthy obsession with Lego video games, Klingons, and Star Trek Online that borders on the neurotic.
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