G & T Show 282 – Typecasting Star Trek Actors

G & T Show 282 – Typecasting Star Trek Actors

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G & T Show 282 – Typecasting Star Trek Actors is now available to download. Check it out here. This week Nick, Terry, and Mike once again welcome Steve to run the soundboard and handle our streams. They discuss the latest news coming from every corner of the Star Trek Universe. This includes: General, Gaming, Convention, Product, Television News, and more. Additionally, the passing of Adam West led to a large portion of the show devoted to talking about typecasting Star Trek actors. You don’t want to miss out on this week’s episode of the G & T Show.

Last minute computer issues made Nick miss their initial round of introductions. However, he returned during Coffee Klatch. Terry and Mike had some strange dreams last night. Terry shares hers with group. Steve has been walking and working. He continues to hit his 10k goals. He’s still trying to hit the goal of 1000 pounds raised for cancer research.

The LEGO Adventures of Big Dude and Lil Dude

lego adventures of big dude and lil dudeMike spent the week preparing to launch a new thing on Live Love Play. The LEGO Adventures of Big Dude and Lil Dude will be a streaming gameplay video of Mike and one of his nephews playing through LEGO games during the summer. The Lil Dude role will rotate between one of his two nephews. Also, a Lil Dudette will join some episodes when his niece joins in on the fun. He ran some tests already and is waiting to get some hardware to add their voices to the gameplay videos.

Terry was in Seattle monitoring oral arguments held before the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. She returned and went to work after that. Nick is still experiencing computer issues. While Mike tries to ascertain Nick’s status, Terry tells us how she was quoted in a textbook.

Star Worlds and STO’s Foundry

Terry received a tweet from XR-377. They are a STO player and Foundry Author. They told Terry one of her Massively articles was quoted in a textbook by William Sims Bainbridge. Terry shares a bit of Bainbridge’s biography before telling us about her role in the textbook: Star Worlds: Freedom Versus Control in Online Game Worlds. The article discussed Foundry missions during the content drought before STO went over to the free-to-play model.

foundryBainbridge played all of the suggested missions from Terry’s article. These included several notable Foundry authors which Mike immediately recognized, since he too was a Foundry author. Plus Mike had the privilege of having Star Trek Online spotlight one or more of his missions. The book includes a short dissertation on each mission. It deals primarily with human interactions within four game worlds. These include: Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Star Wars: Galaxies, and Second Life: Star Trek. Terry thought it was a fascinating read. However, she found it to be an odd experience to be quoted within a text book.

Terry talks to Baz in the chatroom since one of his missions were included in the list.Then she reads an excerpt from the book regarding the quote and missions.

Star Trek Timelines Steam Beta

timelinesStar Trek Timelines has launched a new Beta to test the game on Steam. Mike got the link and is testing it. The game failed to load when he tried to test the game on Thursday. So with the current crafting event going on, he decided to postpone his testing until after that event ends. He thinks his issues related more to his internet connection.

Terry also got the invite. She may pick up the game once it’s on Steam. She prefers to play the game that way, rather than through her phone or tablet which struggles to load it.

Nick manages to get his computer operational and can finally join them. This week, he had a big meeting and hopes to finally put an issue he’s been struggling with behind him. He will know more tomorrow. In the meantime, he has been keeping track and they are currently at Script +11. Axanar has yet to deliver on its promise to have completed its new script by the end of May.

10 Cloverfield Lane

Nick recently watched 10 Cloverfield Lane. It’s a very loose follow up to the Cloverfield film. He thinks it would be a film Terry could watch. John Goodman is very creepy in the film. The last 20% of the film was surprising. Nick tries not to spoil anything. As a result, he couldn’t reveal very much about the film. Terry is excited about Mike’s Big Dude, Lil Dude project and makes sure Nick heard about it.

Adam West

batman climbing to the cloudsShe shifts the conversation to Adam West. He passed away this weekend. Terry saw several touching tributes to him. The first was Commissioner Gordon turning off the Bat Signal and the second is the image of Batman climbing the wall to the clouds. The latter one was her favorite.

Nick explains that Adam West was another actor who had difficulty finding work after his role due to typecasting. Mike dislikes the mogul mentality. It seems to dictates that only certain actors can move beyond a certain role. He uses Chris Pine as an example of someone who has avoided it. Typecasting Star Trek actors is a real thing and people like Chris Pine have managed to avoid it.

Will Ferrell has had this difficulty. Also, it took a lot for Bill Murray to break through typecasting. Terry believes it is a common issue with a lot of Saturday Night Live alum. John Belushi tried to do it but failed. However, Jim Carrey managed to do it with a couple of films.

Typecasting Star Trek

nimoy hallmark adShatner and especially Nimoy had great difficulty with it. Typecasting Star Trek actors was difficult for them, as advertisers and others only saw them in their Star Trek roles. Advertisers always wanted Nimoy to do the Vulcan salute. Casting directors didn’t want actors so closely associated with such iconic roles. Typecasting Star Trek actors is very difficult to overcome because the audience and the people involved in the film cannot look past the Star Trek role. That is a bad thing for shows and films.

The problem still exists today, though it was worse in the 60s, 70s, and 80s. Chris Pine overcame the typecasting Star Trek actor curse. Terry points out that the Friends actors still struggle with their own typecasting issues. They discuss some of the Friends actors’ post-Friends roles. Some of them, however, have moved on to producing and directing.

Nick mentions the show: Last Man Standing. He watched it and thought that Tim Allen is playing an older and more bitter version of Tim “The Toolman” Taylor.

Crossing Over From TV to Film

John Goodman has done a lot of different stuff and hasn’t been typecast. Terry attributes it to the cross over from television to film. Kojiro in the chatroom states that Casting Directors cast against type. Terry thinks Chris Pine has been able to avoid typecasting Star Trek’s curse by appearing only in films rather than televised Star Trek. Nick thinks it’s possible. On television, people are seen in a specific role on a weekly basis and sometimes daily.

Typecasting Star Trek actually helped Robert Beltran break away from the roles. This is because he was usually the heavy. However, it also hurt him in that he doesn’t do a lot of acting since appearing on Voyager.

Patrick Stewart

professor xPatrick Stewart broke the typecasting Star Trek curse but could only do that by returning to his roots and doing theater after TNG. Eventually, he returned to television for tv movies before hitting the big screen as Professor X in X-Men. These Shakespearean roles and experience helped. He’s also worked with Seth McFarlane in atypical roles. These have also helped break the typecasting Star Trek curse.

Nick thinks Terry may be correct that crossing over into film can help break the typecasting Star Trek curse. It has to do with the frequency that the audience sees the actor in the role. In film, it’s for a short duration and only once every few years, if that. Whereas, on television, it’s much more regular. In film, people can jump between roles and genres much more easily.

The Big Bang Theory

SheldonThey wonder if the actor playing Sheldon on the Big Bang Theory, Jim Parsons, will have that same trouble. He’s been able to do films, but has yet to tackle anything new on television. Terry thinks his agent has tried hard to keep him away from typecasting, but it remains to be seen.

Mike adds that two characters that cannot break away from their current roles are Groot and Rocket Racoon. It earns him a chuckle.

Nick knows Johnny Galecki from his time from Roseanne. Its a shame that he has never won an Emmy for his role in Big Bang Theory. Everyone overlooks the straight men, despite their importance in helping set up jokes for their quirky counterparts. The show’s other actors may not struggle with typecasting either.

Steve points out that Parsons will be narrating the Big Bang Theory prequel show and thinks it only make it harder for him to avoid typecasting. Terry doesn’t agree since he’s done other things in addition to Big Bang. Mike agrees and adds that doing voice over for a show differs from starring in the show. He won’t have to dedicate as much time for v.o. as he would if were to star in it. This allows him to assume more projects concurrently.

Typecasting Star Trek

spockTypecasting Star Trek is a bigger issue than with most other shows. It could have also been one of the issues with casting the newer films. A lot of the actors in the new films avoid attending conventions because Star Trek fans tend to take possession of the characters they play and not let them go. Some of the actors avoid conventions to avoid typecasting. Terry uses Zachary Quinto as a prime example of her theory, attributing it specifically to Spock’s ears. They discuss Zachary and wonder if he is having issues with finding work.

Quirky characters tend toward typecasting more easily than others. Terry talks about three types of actors, the quirky ones (Steve Buscemi), the every man (Christ Pratt, Chris Pine, and Chris Evans), and the chameleons (Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman, Tom Hardy, and younger Deniro). Nick thinks Zoe Saldana is a chameleon. She didn’t want to get typecasted as Uhura. However, she is probably more known as Gamora from Guardians of the Galaxy.

Nick wonders if what helps this cast avoid typecasting is the amount of time between movies. Terry doesn’t know and identifies Scarlett Johansson as someone that keeps getting cast in roles similar to Black Widow, the female action heroine / assassin.

Television Typecasting

Terry thinks that television actors are more likely to get typecast than movie actors. A lot of people are moving to television since there’s more work for them, which makes Nick wonder if the chance of typecasting will increase.

Mike chimes in to say that he believes that the chance of an actor being typecast in a role today is a lot less than it was a few years ago. And it has everything to do with how long television seasons are today versus several years ago. An audience would see an actor in one role for more than half a year. And before that, it when summer reruns were a thing, an actor was seen in one particular role all year long.

Today, with 13 episode seasons and binge watching, it might be a year to a year and a half before they are seen in that role again. Mike thinks this reduces the chance of them being detrimentally associated with the character they portray. The audience is allowed to disassociate the actor with the role.

Star Trek Discovery

redThe chatroom asked if Discovery’s crew will be susceptible to the typecasting Star Trek curse. It remains to be seen, but generally they don’t think so due to the shorter season, and the availability of show on a streaming channel. However, Mike thinks that because the show will be released weekly, it will give the audience time to associate the actor with the character. Nick doesn’t agree. He thinks there’s still enough of a firewall with streaming and subscription shows to prevent that from happening.

Terry talks about Kate Mulgrew in Orange is the New Black. She fought hard to avoid typecasting. Nick does agree with Mike about the reinforcement. He, then, goes on to talk about Big Bang Theory. It’s on every day, four times a day and that reinforces the characters and the role. That is a problem streaming services won’t experience since people would have to seek it out rather than just stumble upon it while channel surfing.

Quirky Characters

The conversation shifts to quirky characters or actors with quirky characteristics. They are more likely to be typecast. Harry Morgan, Steve Buscemi, John Malkovich, and others have become typecast because of their quirky characteristics.

Tom Cruise used to be able to slide into certain roles, but now he plays a version of himself in all of the films he’s in. They discuss some of the roles that Cruise has had to determine if there’s a film where he doesn’t have to run, since in every film in their memory has Tom Cruise, action hero, running somewhere or from something.

DS9

alexander siddigUntil recently, Alexander Siddig hasn’t gotten a lot of work since DS9. Terry attributes it to him getting a little grey hair. Terry Farrell has done a few things since then, but most of them were immediately after her time on DS9, including the comedy show Becker. Avery Brooks has been working on his music. Ciroc has a restaurant, but Nick just saw him recently in something, though he doesn’t recall what at the moment. Aaron Eisenberg has been typecast as Nog, but Armin Shimerman has taken advantage of his quirkiness to land quite a few roles since his time on DS9. Colm Meaney was an established actor in the UK and was able to continue working in the UK. Too few DS9 alums were able to beat the typecasting Star Trek curse and were able to move on with their careers after Trek.

It lead to a discussion of Hugh Grant films including the Englishman that went up a hill and down a mountain which featured Colm Meaney. Nick returns to 10 Cloverfield Lane.

Voice Actors & Typecasting

mark hamill and the jokerMike wondered if voice over actors were immune to typecasting. But, at the mention of Star Wars and Mark Hamill, Mike admits that Mark Hamill has become known for his voiceover work as the Joker, become the definitive Joker for a lot of fans. They discuss Mark Hamill and his work. Plus they even delve into Batman and some of the actors in that role in film, television, and in animation, bringing them back to Adam West. West had a very distinctive voice and diction that made him identifiable even when doing voice work.

Michael Dorn is another one who suffers from the typecasting Star Trek curse even when he tries to do voice work. Dorn has the same issues that Adam West has in that his voice is very distinctive. Other than Worf, there is only one other role that Terry knows him as and it’s from the Cartoon Network show: I am Weasel.

Speaking of TNG, Nick was introduced to Brent Spiner through his role on Night Court. He thinks his role as Data helped Spiner since he tended to play things over the top. Terry loved Spiner’s work in Fresh Hell. In the series, he was playing himself. It took a long time for Denise Crosby and Marina Sirtis to beat the typecasting Star Trek curse. Terry thinks its harder for women to get over typecasting, especially if they were cast to be the T & A in a show. Mike mentions Chase Masterson as an example.

Wil Wheaton

wil wheatonWil Wheaton is another TNG actor who struggled after TNG. Poor writing hurt him the most. He was a child actor, but when he finished with TNG, he was still a teenager and there weren’t a lot of shows that needed people his age unlike today’s expanded television, cable, streaming, and web series.

In recent years with streaming, and web series, Wil has been able to reinvent himself. Terry refers to it more like he outed himself as a geek, embracing it, and using it as part of his brand. Wheaton found a niche. Geek and Sundry is one of the greatest web-based production company that has found its niche amongst gamers and other geeks.

The Web is a Game Changer

geek and sundryMike, then, points out that there are individuals, such as Felicia Day, where typecasting is part of their brand. She is a Geek Girl. That is her brand. And as a result, she has been able to leverage that into television and acting event outside of her Geek and Sundry production company. All of this is possible because of the web, that is both an equalizer but also offers a much larger palette to work with.

Nick points out that the web has been a great benefit for musicians as well. They talk about music and the formulas they follow and how every generation needs something new to shake it up and take it out of the producer’s hands and put the musicians and bands back in control. The internet is going to help find this generation’s next new thing.

Terry watches so little TV. She only watches sports on TV. The rest of her entertainment comes from the web or are specific to her interests. As a result, she is no longer part of the mass market. She gets her entertainment from gaming, books, Geek and Sundry, and other sources on the web. A couple of decades ago, a 50 year old woman was the primary target for mass market entertainment.

Niche Markets

CBS looked at the evolving marketplace and realized that Star Trek is a niche genre and the only way for it to be truly successful is if they placed it in front of a niche genre, and that is exactly what they have done by putting it on CBS All Access and Netflix and make it an anchor show for All Access. Subscribers are the niche market CBS wants.

Nick only regularly watches two shows: Supergirl and Lucifer. If Supergirl moves to a streaming channel, he would continue watching it on CBS All Access.

Messing With The Algorithms

multi-taskingTerry points out that Mike is also a unique market that has all of the traditional mass marketers stumped. Mike watches a lot of television and can do it while doing other things. He’s one of the few people Terry knows that can. He’s plugged in. Mike has multiple screens in front of him with multiple things going on at the same time.

Mike explains how he is able to do it by focusing on what is important from whatever he is doing. When something important happens in a show, he will shift his attention there and when it’s done, shift it back to other things. Terry called him a savant of television shows, as he’s able to watch a show and game at the same time. He ignores advertisements the most.

Even during the recording of this episode, he’s playing two games, paying attention to the chatroom, and chiming in when he has something useful to contribute to the discussion. Nick states that it’s no wonder Mike is always tired. Mike says he’s tired because he was up late binge watching Orange is the New Black. Nick has watching a lot of documentaries.

And Now The News

gothamTerry looked over the notes Mike provided for the show, which he assembled while playing games and watching television.She discusses the article announcing that Alexander Siddig will be portraying Ra’s Al Ghul next season on Gotham. They take a few minutes to talk about Gotham and how they are rather surprised that it has lasted this long and what Mike has been enjoying about the series. They praise Fox for sticking with it. Mike had the most trouble getting used to the design and look of the show but it has grown on him. Terry stopped watching Gotham during its third episode. It was the violence that makes her turn it off.

Terry, Sports, and Injuries

Even during football games, when there’s a hard hit, she will leave the room so she doesn’t have to see it again in replay. Mike recalls seeing that reaction from her when they were watching the Kentucky Derby this year. Terry explains seeing the horse bucking from gate, she feared that they would have to put it down. She couldn’t watch that. She can’t watch an injury.

As a result, she doesn’t watch a lot of football any more, but she will listen to the game from another room, leaving curling, golf, and baseball as sports she can watch. They talk about sports for a while, especially golf and Tiger Woods. Sports and shows that are successful don’t focus on a single character.

Those Who Can’t, Direct

They shift to television directors. A lot of Star Trek alums from TNG, DS9, and Voyager used their time on their respective shows to learn the art of filmmaking and directing behind the camera because of a possible typecasting Star Trek curse. They used the opportunity to expand their skills and ensure a healthy career behind the camera if not in front of it.

Jonathan Frakes works on several shows, including The Librarians, NCIS, and coming this fall he will also be working The Orville. They discuss his career before and after TNG. Roxanne Dawson is another one that has directed. Patrick Stewart directed a few episodes of TNG, but he seems his primary love is acting. Frakes’ directing abilities are evident in the First Contact film. Terry hopes to see some familiar directorial names working on Discovery.

the orvilleMike points out that the Frakes tweet from several weeks back was probably sent from the set of The Orville rather than the set of Discovery. They agree and hope that it was. Stylistically, it does seem like it would be right up his alley. They are not heartbroken that Frakes will be on the Orville and not Discovery. Mike looks forward to watching both shows.

The News At Warp Speed

Since they are running out of time on this week’s show, they quickly run through some of the news links Mike provided, beginning with Product News.

Bradford Exchange has released a LLP Trek Chronograph Watch. Diamond Select will be offering an San Diego Comic Con Exclusive of an orange Enterprise representing the Enterprise’s destruction in Star Trek III: The Search For Spock. They should have released a TNG ship in honor of TNG’s 40th Anniversary. CBS licensing has signed an agreement with Pocket Starships. The TNG Bluetooth Combadge unboxing video was interesting. And, Mike draws attention to the TOS, TNG, and Voyager Rainbow Delta Pride T-Shirts.

For Convention News, they discuss the two cases of Legionaires Disease that have been found in the Rio Hotel in Las Vegas where STLV will be held. The Rio is cleaning the HVAC system to remedy the situation. They address some concerns that this news may bring about. They compare it to the Con Crud that floats around conventions. Mike has been lucky and has never gotten the crud, but he’s also on anti-biotics due to his legs during con season and is a frequent user of hand sanitizer. They don’t think a surgical mask will be required at STLV.

The Documentary about Leonard Nimoy will be aired Nationwide on PBS. Operation Enterprise is now open in Germany. So if you’re a fan of rollercoasters and Star Trek, this is the ride for you. Terry saw some photos and loved what she saw. Mike points out that he had shared last week a walk-through video.

Stolen Trek Trading Cards

In Derby, Ireland, a high value collection of Star Trek trading cards were stolen. In an effort to locate the stolen property, the police has taken to Facebook in order to crowdsource assistance in their recovery. Terry thought it was cool and that they know their market. Mike does not understand the trading card market, so can’t relate. Nick wishes he still had his trading card collection.

borg bundleTerry talks about the Star Trek Adventures Borg RPG Bundle. A lot of people were unhappy with its hefty price tag of $599. Modiphius has since released a more affordable Borg Drone Bundle for $325. Its still outside of Mike budget, but they are beautiful products. Mike will be picking something up but will be saving up for it first.

They congratulate Cryptic Studios for the announcement that they will be developing a Magic: The Gathering MMORPG game. It’s not done, but they have been working on it in secret for some time.

Live Love Play

Steve queues up Ross’s announcement for Live Love Play. They are celebrating their one year anniversary. He gives us an update on the work that he’s done over the last year and shared his gratitude for the G & T Show’s assistance in helping him get started. He also thanks his Patreon subscribers and hints at a possible new reward tier. From there, he jumps into the latest news coming out of Live Love Play.

lego adventures of big dude and lil dudeMike mentions that Live Love Play may be introducing a guest stream in the future. He’s currently putting together something with his nephews for the summer, so keep an eye out for The LEGO Adventures of Big Dude and Lil Dude.

Nick mentions that this week, he and Mike got a chance to sit down with Michael Schilling to talk about Shore Leave. Mike will be editing and releasing the interview next week, so keep an eye out for that. Monday is his birthday and will be taking the day off.

They wish Mike a happy birthday. He’s 41 years old. He’s found grey hair in his beard. His hair is so thick that if he has any one his head, he’s unable to see it. But the beard was much more noticeable. He’s actually excited about it. He thinks its a distinguished look.

That’s It!

With that they wind down this week’s episode of the G & T Show. Join them next week for an all new episode of the G & T Show. Nick will be at Awesome Con next weekend and with Father’s Day, it’s unknown if he will be present. However, Terry and Mike will be her so be sure to join them next week.

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Mike Medeiros is a great storyteller in his own mind. He’s been known to put words to page and sometimes, he even turns them into audio stories for himself, his friends and the occasional stranger that stumbles upon his stuff by accident. He has written, writes, and will write for Gates of Sto’vo’kor, Blood of the Neirrh, Star Trek: Starfinder, The Klingons of Long Island, Reality’s Edge, and Zygerus. Some of his stories and other writings have materialized on websites and forums for the G & T Show, Priority One, ScienceFiction.com, Star Trek Online, and even Star Trek.com. He’s written a few playable missions for Star Trek Online and has even had a couple of them spotlighted. He keeps saying he’s working on a novel, but is he really? A comic book is more likely. If only he could make money flinging ink at the screen, he’d be a happy camper.

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He is the co-owner of Busy Little Beaver Productions and is the producer and co-host for G & T Show and Gates of Sto’vo’kor. He’s directed voice actors, and produced and edited audio podcasts and dramas because he doesn’t have the face for video. He plays well with others and is always on the look out for the next project, the next thing, the next next. If he wasn’t working on something with a half dozen other projects waiting in the wings, somebody please check to make sure he’s still breathing.

During the day, he’s a mild-mannered computer repair man who dabbles in web design in his small, rural, Central California community. He lives with his lovingly dysfunctional family and loyal canine companion and spends most of his time in the closet concocting some hair-brained scheme or another. He’s got an unhealthy obsession with Lego video games, Klingons, and Star Trek Online that borders on the neurotic.

Despite all this, he still finds the time to write the words. Find out what he's doing here.
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Mike Medeiros is a great storyteller in his own mind. He’s been known to put words to page and sometimes, he even turns them into audio stories for himself, his friends and the occasional stranger that stumbles upon his stuff by accident. He has written, writes, and will write for Gates of Sto’vo’kor, Blood of the Neirrh, Star Trek: Starfinder, The Klingons of Long Island, Reality’s Edge, and Zygerus. Some of his stories and other writings have materialized on websites and forums for the G & T Show, Priority One, ScienceFiction.com, Star Trek Online, and even Star Trek.com. He’s written a few playable missions for Star Trek Online and has even had a couple of them spotlighted. He keeps saying he’s working on a novel, but is he really? A comic book is more likely. If only he could make money flinging ink at the screen, he’d be a happy camper. But, wait. There’s more. He is the co-owner of Busy Little Beaver Productions and is the producer and co-host for G & T Show and Gates of Sto’vo’kor. He’s directed voice actors, and produced and edited audio podcasts and dramas because he doesn’t have the face for video. He plays well with others and is always on the look out for the next project, the next thing, the next next. If he wasn’t working on something with a half dozen other projects waiting in the wings, somebody please check to make sure he’s still breathing. During the day, he’s a mild-mannered computer repair man who dabbles in web design in his small, rural, Central California community. He lives with his lovingly dysfunctional family and loyal canine companion and spends most of his time in the closet concocting some hair-brained scheme or another. He’s got an unhealthy obsession with Lego video games, Klingons, and Star Trek Online that borders on the neurotic. Despite all this, he still finds the time to write the words. Find out what he's doing here.

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